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I think you know more about it than most here... And, by the way, picture is worth a thousand words, you know... ;):ninja:

 

I have low resolutions pictures from many years ago, so will try to take better ones in the near future.

In the mean time, for the people that also collect auction catalogs, like you (or me) - my 20 is in the Renaissance 2000 catalog and my 10 is in the Hermes 1997 Baldwin's sale.

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I have low resolutions pictures from many years ago, so will try to take better ones in the near future.

In the mean time, for the people that also collect auction catalogs, like you (or me) - my 20 is in the Renaissance 2000 catalog and my 10 is in the Hermes 1997 Baldwin's sale.

 

Will take a look. Luckily I have both catalogs, however, the quality of the coin images in Hermes is awful to say the least...

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The lates research & update on this subject is available from Uzdenikov (2004) only as I aware of,

so others opinions are welcome.

Regards novodels on this issue, this article clearly states a fact that this series never been struck for either exibitions,

european and russian, where usually all been presented by many rare coins (novodels).

All pre-revolution catalogs and modern are also have no mentionings on novodels.

Theory of private production and others arguments are just respectable opinions.

This series needs more serious study, but probably not over here (tips for countefeiters). :ninja:

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Well, who wants to see/buy them?

Thanks for all of your help so far!

 

The 10 and the 2 kopeck appear to be unknown mules.

All of the numismatist that I have shown them to believe that they are genuine. Including a few Russian specialists, one who was shaking while studying them.

 

I want to buy them, if you do not want to wait for the auction. Do you have the price figured out? What is the location of the coins?

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While more than just one-kuna recognizes the late Mr. Uzdenikov to have had "some" expertise in this matter ;) , as well as, other matters concerning Russian numismatics, I find the particular article mentioned by Valentin to have a few conjectures unsupported in fact presented in the article.

 

1. The fact that there are no official mint records found to date that describe novodel production of this series, does not prove that such novodels were never minted.

 

2. While the appearance and metal content of these "coins" points away from production on SPB or any other mint, it does not automatically mean that these were minted on TM. (could have been private production, for all I care -- no records to point in either direction)

 

There are a few more "illogical closures" in the article that have no bearing on this discussion.

 

I, personally, like the look of all 3 coins pictured, and like the test results for 10 and 2 kopeks. If the opportunity presented itself, I would purchase these as novodels. Would need a letter from GIM to purchase these as originals.

*please move my name from your statement, i am one-kuna here

1.yes, it does not prove it HOWEVER it does not prove either that such were being ever issued

2.here i am full disagree, please re-read von Vinkler work on its production there

3.please present "few more" illogical closures??

<<<<<<<<<<<<always ready to discuss>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :ninja:

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*please move my name from your statement, i am one-kuna here

1.yes, it does not prove it HOWEVER it does not prove either that such were being ever issued

2.here i am full disagree, please re-read von Vinkler work on its production there

3.please present "few more" illogical closures??

<<<<<<<<<<<<always ready to discuss>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :ninja:

It amazes me that there is so much conjecture on this matter given that the "T" punch does match the accepted genuine coins from this mint (the copper pieces).

Records do show that "hubs" were sent to this mint and they were most-likely without mintmark showing that the mintmark was added on-site and, consequently, at the same place that the silver dies were made.

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It amazes me that there is so much conjecture on this matter given that the "T" punch does match the accepted genuine coins from this mint (the copper pieces).

Records do show that "hubs" were sent to this mint and they were most-likely without mintmark showing that the mintmark was added on-site and, consequently, at the same place that the silver dies were made.

agree :ninja:

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agree :ninja:

I believe that I have figured-out why there is such a difference in the content of the blanks. I believe that the metal for them was forged, IE heated, hammered and repeated many times to connect the metals together. The metal was then flattened and blanks punched out. This technique is very plausible, given the equipment that the mint had at hand and given this mint was never meant to make silver coinage.

What does everyone think?

I have come to this conclusion as it is the only way to easily explain the differences in all coins tested.

Can someone please write the state museum for specific gravity tests on their pieces?

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Can someone please write the state museum for specific gravity tests on their pieces?

this one is heavy one :ninja:

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I believe that I have figured-out why there is such a difference in the content of the blanks. I believe that the metal for them was forged, IE heated, hammered and repeated many times to connect the metals together. The metal was then flattened and blanks punched out. This technique is very plausible, given the equipment that the mint had at hand and given this mint was never meant to make silver coinage.

What does everyone think?

I have come to this conclusion as it is the only way to easily explain the differences in all coins tested.

Can someone please write the state museum for specific gravity tests on their pieces?

 

Why not send them to NGC?

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As I know, when coin sent to State Historical museum, it cames back with a report saying what was done to the coin,

I do not think NGC does same besides doing coin grading :ninja:

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As I know, when coin sent to State Historical museum, it cames back with a report saying what was done to the coin,

I do not think NGC does same besides doing coin grading :ninja:

Agreed.

 

All any of the "grading companies" would do is assign a number to them and compare them with a picture, then they would entomb them.

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Hello everyone!

Thanks so much again for all of your help on this fascinating mint.

I found yesterday that all of the coins are indeed genuine!

They will be sold in Europe at an upcoming auction.

I can tell you specifics when I know them.

 

According to several peoples research there is only one known modern sale of a silver TM 2 Kopeck and that was in 1991 in a set. The coins listed in sales in the nineteen-teens may not exist any longer.

 

Does anyone know of any others?

 

How much would the 2k be worth? I have no idea, it will be fun to watch though!

 

Thanks again!

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It seems that the pictures posted earlier in this thread have disappeared. :( Anyone have replacements for them?

 

I agree with IgorS that there is a fake 10k on the Monetniy Dvor site (the one sold in 2007). Interestingly enough, the one depicted here: http://zvon-monet.ru/luggage_knowledge/article/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=2938 seems to be the same fake coin (look down below the table for the detail explanation of the legends ... the "II" in the middle of the "E" are slanted much too far to be original). The coin images inside the table, however, appear to have been scanned from Bitkin's reference.

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It seems that the pictures posted earlier in this thread have disappeared. :( Anyone have replacements for them?

 

The Gorny images from the coming auction _should_ be of the same coins that were posted here.

 

I also have kept the old images from this thread and will do a quick comparison to confirm.

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seems like someone first trying to auction a fake coin at large/famous auction house/firm, since then not sold, it is going from dealer to dealer looking for its new owner :hysterical:

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