ariba Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Take a look at these: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=200195581301 http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?S...1885&src=pr http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=200195580811 http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?S...1750&src=pr http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=200195581096 http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?S...1823&src=pr Same story with his other offerings. All images copied directly from Heritage. Only background altered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreasureGirl Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 That's terrible. I'm beginning to suspect when they keep buyer's ID's private because then no one can warn you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxseries Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Thanks for the warning - those rarites just don't pop up from nowhere, especially in such a large hoard. Definately looks like a hacked account in use here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RW Julian Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Take a look at these: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=200195581301 http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?S...1885&src=pr http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=200195580811 http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?S...1750&src=pr http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=200195581096 http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?S...1823&src=pr Same story with his other offerings. All images copied directly from Heritage. Only background altered. Thanks for the warning. Reported to eBay. RWJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RW Julian Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Thanks for the warning - those rarites just don't pop up from nowhere, especially in such a large hoard. Definately looks like a hacked account in use here. Not so sure about the hacked account. If you check his completed items they are all for the same kind of U.S. dollar bill. It appears that these sales were to give the seller positive feedback to impress would-be buyers for his phony sales. Note that the postage cost is $15 on his earlier sales which was meant to make certain that only shill bids appeared. RWJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKB Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Not so sure about the hacked account. If you check his completed items they areall for the same kind of U.S. dollar bill. It appears that these sales were to give the seller positive feedback to impress would-be buyers for his phony sales. Note that the postage cost is $15 on his earlier sales which was meant to make certain that only shill bids appeared. RWJ Nice catch. Way more dangerous than the fakes usually discussed here. Good job ariba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxseries Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Julian, there is a good reason why I mentioned hacked accounts. In the past, all of the hacked accounts were in Ukraine and they share the same patterns: very low feedbacks and all other "buyers" are hacked / manipulated accounts just to raise his feedback rating. There is a perception that if a feedback rating is rather "high" and with full 100% feedback, this will attract buyers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grivna1726 Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 If you check his completed items they are all for the same kind of U.S. dollar bill. I didn't check them all, but the first 3 bills I checked all had the same serial number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 I would agree about the buyer accounts. They all have very low ratings, so just created to pump up the sellers reputation before the big sale. I've seen some such techniques in the past, mostly with east european sellers, Romanian as I recall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariba Posted January 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 I also reported it to eBay when I discovered it, but they do not seem to be doing anything. The auctions are still up & running. Also, I think they already did a similar thing with German coins 2 days ago (I know nothing about German coins--maybe somebody can verify if their pictures are also picked from Heritage or elsewhere): http://search-completed.ebay.com/_W0QQ_trk...pZ1QQsofocusZbs Search for completed auctions from patrick.bourlakov558521 And the next ones will be noroyykl145 and 5874sestrading from the looks of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NumisMattic2200 Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 An intriguing seller name.. :>/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grivna1726 Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Take a look at these: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=200195581301 http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?S...1885&src=pr http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=200195580811 http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?S...1750&src=pr http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=200195581096 http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?S...1823&src=pr Same story with his other offerings. All images copied directly from Heritage. Only background altered. All auctions apparently proceeded to completion with, by my calculation, sales in excess of $3,000. It's unclear to me how much of that will be left for the seller after ebay takes its cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariba Posted January 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 I also reported it to eBay when I discovered it, but they do not seem to be doing anything. The auctions are still up & running. Also, I think they already did a similar thing with German coins 2 days ago (I know nothing about German coins--maybe somebody can verify if their pictures are also picked from Heritage or elsewhere): http://search-completed.ebay.com/_W0QQ_trk...pZ1QQsofocusZbs Search for completed auctions from patrick.bourlakov558521 And the next ones will be noroyykl145 and 5874sestrading from the looks of it. As suspected, now it is 5874sestrading's turn: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=320212987965 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=320212988014 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=320212988041 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=320212988099 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=320212988140 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=320212988181 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=320212988224 http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ2...Z5874sestrading This time it's Switzerland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jroc Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 I guess I am lucky that it was a fast sale or I would have been in the middle trying to acquire the 1801 5 rouble piece....But I make it a habit to ask for additional pictures....which in this case, probably could not have been provided. This forum continues to provide extremely valuable information....timely and detailed. eBay continues to go down hill.....they should try to set-up a system where a middle-man is used and monies are escrowed....or some better screening process....insurance would also be a possibility....they make money and people get protected But as long as eBay makes money, they are satisfied keeping their "eyes closed" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maya Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Julian, there is a good reason why I mentioned hacked accounts. In the past, all of the hacked accounts were in Ukraine and they share the same patterns: very low feedbacks and all other "buyers" are hacked / manipulated accounts just to raise his feedback rating. There is a perception that if a feedback rating is rather "high" and with full 100% feedback, this will attract buyers. I would agree about the buyer accounts. They all have very low ratings, so just created to pump up the sellers reputation before the big sale. I've seen some such techniques in the past, mostly with east european sellers, Romanian as I recall. What is also interesting is that all the "buyers" with low ratings who have left feedback for this seller, have received their own feedbacks from each other as well as from the seller, and all of their transactions on the feedback summary are "private". It seems to be a very incestuous relationship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jroc Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 I guess no surprise here....one buyer posted 3 negative feedbacks....assuming more to come.... http://myworld.ebay.com/good5151sunshine/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jroc Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 Another Satisfied Customer DONT BUY FROM HIM, 21 DAYS PASS DUE,FALSE PROMISES, FILLING FOR DISPUTE $$$?BACK Buyer: vasily916 ( 85) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostDutchman Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 good sleuthing guys.... it looks like he has about 10 names.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RW Julian Posted February 20, 2008 Report Share Posted February 20, 2008 Another Satisfied Customer DONT BUY FROM HIM, 21 DAYS PASS DUE,FALSE PROMISES, FILLING FOR DISPUTE $$$?BACK Buyer: vasily916 ( 85) I reported this seller to eBay on two different occasions, the first while the items were still open for bidding. I suspect others did the same. One wonders who is the more dishonest, the seller or eBay. RWJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jroc Posted February 20, 2008 Report Share Posted February 20, 2008 Here comes some more......happy customers of......patrick.bourlakov558521 Feedback.......No emails. No coin. I called. Said I had wrong number. In dispute. WATCH OUT! Buyer: oofduh ( 2605) Feb-19-08 17:16 eBay has its eyes wide shut....... Here is the latest......Swindle. No emails. No co in. In dispute. Buyer: yurig9930 ( 110) Feb-21-08 15:04 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jroc Posted February 24, 2008 Report Share Posted February 24, 2008 This forum has been a great education. I put together a table and there were/are 20 eBay users involved, apparently, in this little SCAN I could not attach my table but the users are listed below and it is very interesting. 8 of these members joined on 3 days in September 07 and the other 12 on December 17th & 18th. All feedback was generated in January, mostly within a few days, but only between this little team. All are listed as from California. They all keep the feedback private.....no surprise.....and only go outside the circle when they go for the SCAN, which appears to be the 1 day coin sales, with pictures taken from Heritage Auctions. 1pp.mailregards0 30050210cook 3064.baker.280 47588donna85 5874sestrading 8881055peace.forever anderson10030 andrew.80.00 aonyeouyl5557 bertikwoi555 brook5522241 good5151sunshine harris88.00.ha jacob..duncan lo.nature680 luckily8.er noroyykl145 ovoskyallen5441 patrick.bourlakov558521 terlive5522 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jroc Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Apparently, one unlucky buyer was able to buy all the Swiss pieces, and they just posted 7 negative feedbacks..... http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ2...Z5874sestrading Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grivna1726 Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Apparently, one unlucky buyer was able to buy all the Swiss pieces, and they just posted 7 negative feedbacks.....http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ2...Z5874sestrading The "lucky winner" apparently bought more than $1,000 worth of air by my calculation. I wonder how much ebay made as a result? BTW, I see the buyer also buys Swiss coins like this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RW Julian Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 The "lucky winner" apparently bought more than $1,000 worth of air by my calculation.I wonder how much ebay made as a result? The sad part is that eBay could easily stop much of this fraud but greed stands in the way of rational thinking. If they cleaned up their “venue,” as they like to call it, more people would be encouraged to buy and sell and there would be even larger profits. RWJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jroc Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 The listing I compiled was also provided to eBay security, but todate I only received the standard electronic reply..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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