Kit Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 1917 is supposed to be rare. However the amount of 10, 15 kopecks offered on eBay makes me think they they all made in China. Look at those two offered by seller from Mongolia: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=200193347752 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=200193348206 There are more of these kopecks from reputable sellers: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=260203608303 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=250206418764 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=360014713629 Outside of eBay: http://www.mycoindealer.com/Nicholas-II-15...are-p-1299.html Opinions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grivna1726 Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 I don't know whether these are real or not. The "Mongolian" seller is a "Member: since Mar-11-07 in United States", yet the coins are reportedly located in "UB, Mongolia" (UB = Ulan Bator?), which seems like an unusual arrangement. I think you are wise to be cautious when looking at coins on ebay because the place is a minefield for the unwary buyer and ebay does not appear to be highly motivated to do anything to improve that situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maya Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 How rare are these coins? Uzdenikov rates the 1917 20 Kopeks as "scarce", but does not consider the 10 and 15 as particularly rare, Severin rates them all as "very rare", and RW Julian rates them as "scarce". I haven't seen any on e-bay previously that I can remember, but then have not been looking very hard. I'm still working on the earlier years of Nicholas II, and with the prices being what they are, it will take me a while to get to these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grivna1726 Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 How rare are these coins? Uzdenikov rates the 1917 20 Kopeks as "scarce", but does not consider the 10 and 15 as particularly rare, Severin rates them all as "very rare", and RW Julian rates them as "scarce". Harry Severin's book on Russian silver was published about 1965 or so. It is an excellent work, but later researchers might well have had access to information that was unavailable to him back then. So I think the "scarce" rating is more likely correct (although I don't know the minor 20th century silver as well as I do the earlier issues). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlyaE Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 I bought both 10 and 15 Kopecks from this Mongolian seller before. I sent them to NGC, both came back as authentic, but "improperly cleaned". You can't really tell that they were cleaned, but NGC knows better. They are not particularly rare. I guess this seller just has a large lot for this year and probably cleaned all them to make them shiny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kit Posted January 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 Uzdenikov rates the 1917 20 Kopeks as "scarce", but does not consider the 10 and 15 as particularly rare. In first edition of his catalog (1992) Uzdenkov marked all three coins with dot. But later he reconsidered his rating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobh Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 In first edition of his catalog (1992) Uzdenkov marked all three coins with dot. But later he reconsidered his rating. 1992 was actually the second edition. There are three by now, IIRC. I don't know when the first edition was printed, but it seems to be hard to find nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grivna1726 Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 1992 was actually the second edition. There are three by now, IIRC. I don't know when the first edition was printed, but it seems to be hard to find nowadays. I have the first edition (not handy at the moment). It was published in Russian only in the 1980s (I don't remember what year). The second (i.e. 1992) edition is much more useful because it is revised and bilingual (Russian and English), which is particularly useful for those of us who struggle with the language. The catalog portion of the book saw the Uz-numbers change in the second edition from those given in the first. I'm not sure if that was also the case in the third edition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobh Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 The catalog portion of the book saw the Uz-numbers change in the second edition from those given in the first. I'm not sure if that was also the case in the third edition. Yes, I believe they changed again in the 3rd edition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grivna1726 Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 I don't know when the first edition was printed, but it seems to be hard to find nowadays. I checked my copy. It was published in Moscow in 1985, ФИНАНСЬІ И СТАТИСТИКА with price 3р. 20к. (!!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobh Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 I checked my copy. It was published in Moscow in 1985, ФИНАНСЬІ И СТАТИСТИКА with price 3р. 20к. (!!). Thanks, grivna1726. As to the price, don't forget that everything is relative ... 3 rouble coins used to be struck in platinum at one point in time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 i sold my 1st edition Uzd. when i bought the 2nd.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grivna1726 Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 i sold my 1st edition Uzd. when i bought the 2nd.... I find the bilingual version more useful because my Russian is limited. Still, I don't regret keeping the original (even though the numbering system is now obsolete). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 I have the first 2 uzdenikovs, the 2nd one is better. But I haven't seen the 3rd. Is it much improved? Or improved enough for me to get one? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxseries Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 I only have the second edition although I have seen the first edition. I just find this book to be superior - it's a darn shame that almost no authors other than Spassky have attempted such books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kit Posted January 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 1992 was actually the second edition. Yep. my bad. I have the first 2 uzdenikovs, the 2nd one is better. But I haven't seen the 3rd. Is it much improved? Or improved enough for me to get one? I have actually all three. The third one is again in Russian language only. I bought it for curiosity. I didn't find big improvements there. I would continue referring to second edition when marking the coins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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