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1917 is supposed to be rare.

However the amount of 10, 15 kopecks offered on eBay makes me think they they all made in China. :ninja:

 

Look at those two offered by seller from Mongolia:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=200193347752

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=200193348206

 

There are more of these kopecks from reputable sellers:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=260203608303

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=250206418764

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=360014713629

 

Outside of eBay:

http://www.mycoindealer.com/Nicholas-II-15...are-p-1299.html

 

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I don't know whether these are real or not.

 

The "Mongolian" seller is a "Member: since Mar-11-07 in United States", yet the coins are reportedly located in "UB, Mongolia" (UB = Ulan Bator?), which seems like an unusual arrangement.

 

I think you are wise to be cautious when looking at coins on ebay because the place is a minefield for the unwary buyer and ebay does not appear to be highly motivated to do anything to improve that situation.

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How rare are these coins?

 

Uzdenikov rates the 1917 20 Kopeks as "scarce", but does not consider the 10 and 15 as particularly rare, Severin rates them all as "very rare", and RW Julian rates them as "scarce".

 

I haven't seen any on e-bay previously that I can remember, but then have not been looking very hard. I'm still working on the earlier years of Nicholas II, and with the prices being what they are, it will take me a while to get to these.

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How rare are these coins?

 

Uzdenikov rates the 1917 20 Kopeks as "scarce", but does not consider the 10 and 15 as particularly rare, Severin rates them all as "very rare", and RW Julian rates them as "scarce".

 

 

Harry Severin's book on Russian silver was published about 1965 or so. It is an excellent work, but later researchers might well have had access to information that was unavailable to him back then.

 

So I think the "scarce" rating is more likely correct (although I don't know the minor 20th century silver as well as I do the earlier issues).

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I bought both 10 and 15 Kopecks from this Mongolian seller before. I sent them to NGC, both came back as authentic, but "improperly cleaned". You can't really tell that they were cleaned, but NGC knows better. They are not particularly rare.

 

I guess this seller just has a large lot for this year and probably cleaned all them to make them shiny.

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In first edition of his catalog (1992) Uzdenkov marked all three coins with dot. But later he reconsidered his rating.

1992 was actually the second edition. There are three by now, IIRC. I don't know when the first edition was printed, but it seems to be hard to find nowadays.

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1992 was actually the second edition. There are three by now, IIRC. I don't know when the first edition was printed, but it seems to be hard to find nowadays.

 

I have the first edition (not handy at the moment). It was published in Russian only in the 1980s (I don't remember what year).

 

The second (i.e. 1992) edition is much more useful because it is revised and bilingual (Russian and English), which is particularly useful for those of us who struggle with the language.

 

The catalog portion of the book saw the Uz-numbers change in the second edition from those given in the first. I'm not sure if that was also the case in the third edition.

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The catalog portion of the book saw the Uz-numbers change in the second edition from those given in the first. I'm not sure if that was also the case in the third edition.

Yes, I believe they changed again in the 3rd edition.

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I checked my copy. It was published in Moscow in 1985, ФИНАНСЬІ И СТАТИСТИКА with price 3р. 20к. (!!).

Thanks, grivna1726. :ninja:

As to the price, don't forget that everything is relative ... 3 rouble coins used to be struck in platinum at one point in time! ;)

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1992 was actually the second edition.

Yep. my bad.

 

I have the first 2 uzdenikovs, the 2nd one is better. But I haven't seen the 3rd. Is it much improved? Or improved enough for me to get one?

 

I have actually all three. The third one is again in Russian language only. I bought it for curiosity. I didn't find big improvements there.

I would continue referring to second edition when marking the coins.

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