squirrel Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 Ebay Item number: 160197017912 (sorry, still fighting with links ) does anyone like this coin? Edit: link fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVE MOULDING Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 Ebay Item number: 160197017912 (sorry, still fighting with links ) does anyone like this coin? Link http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=160197017912 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thee_Immortal_One Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 I compared the item to my books: The lettering and eagles legs seem too "fragile". The left neck is too long and out of porportion to right neck. Obverse looks like business strike but reverse looks like novodel. I am going to pass on bidding unless authenticity is confirmed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVE MOULDING Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 I compared the item to my books: The lettering and eagles legs seem too "fragile". The left neck is too long and out of porportion to right neck. Obverse looks like business strike but reverse looks like novodel. I am going to pass on bidding unless authenticity is confirmed. Lettering doesn't look right too me either. Eagles are fairly well done and look OK at first glance but I haven't compared to others. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 Novodel or a fake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVE MOULDING Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 Novodel or a fake? Not a Novodel. This looks like it circulated. Many of his other coins look OK, and this one isn't obviously fake to me; perhaps I'm being too picky about the letters. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 Obverse looks like business strike but reverse looks like novodel. I was just trying to establish the meaning of the term. In Russia, for a while, fake coins were called novodels. That was bit confusing. Now the academically established term is "fooflo" As far as the coin, I think the lettering is too fine due to corrosion of some kind. That is why the field of the coin looks a bit porous as well. That on its own does not mean anything, since quite often the forgers will corrode a coin with some chemicals on purpose, the same could happen naturally. At any rate, this coin is going to sell well out of my budget independent of its authenticity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grivna1726 Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 does anyone like this coin? I don't. It just doesn't look right to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ippocampos Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 Hi guys, still reverting on weight of my iron/nickel.. whatever coin... need to go home! as for this coin does not look right to me either.. any thoughts on it being cast ? fragility of strike and 'rough' surface would seem to point to this.. in any case coin buying is like the opposite sex ... you know when its right.. no questions come to mind.. just chemistry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thee_Immortal_One Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 Hello, When I said the reverse looked like the novodel, I was refering to the novodel image in bitikin while the obverse looked like the regular issue from a stylistic standpoint. For future reference, I use "novodel" to refer to coins made at the mint and not forgeries, fakes, fantasies or copies. The coin does not appear to be genuine, in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 I think we have a complete consensus! I will still project the final price to be well over 250 US unless somebody stops the auction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVE MOULDING Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 I think we have a complete consensus! I will still project the final price to be well over 250 US unless somebody stops the auction. Well I didn't really like the lettering but can't say for sure it's a fake. It doesn't pass the (Ippocampos) chemistry test with me though. RWJ...any opinion?? Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RW Julian Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 Well I didn't really like the lettering but can't say for sure it's a fake. It doesn't pass the (Ippocampos) chemistry test with me though. RWJ...any opinion?? Steve I looked at the piece and compared it with photos on hand for this year. It does not, to me, look all that bad and perhaps has been whizzed or otherwise altered. I have no clear opinion on whether or not it is genuine. RWJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted January 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 What caught my eye was the lettering seems skinny and not very sharp. That, and the "too good to be true" factor of such a rare coin listed among the sellers other more common items. A good case for not judging authenticity from a poor photo, in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted January 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 SOLD. hammer went down at an even $1000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlyaE Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 I bought it, will post here if it was a fake or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted January 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Wow, Ilya. Congrats if your risk taking pays off, and thank you for posting! I sure hope you have agreed to some type approval conditions. Good Luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlyaE Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Thanks, I will need luck on this one. I bought from this seller before and he seems honest, he promised to give a full refund if it appears it to be a fake. Will send it to NGC, I don't think it will come back graded, looks cleaned, but hope it will be genuine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlyaE Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 Got this coin, but it doesn't look right. The weight is only 7.8g . Don't think genuine coin can have such low weight for this type. Any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlyaE Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 It's not even silver , 100% fake, returning it to the seller now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 It's not even silver , 100% fake, returning it to the seller now Ouch! Will he accept returns? I tried that once, and my fake coin was only $25, and the seller just rambled on about us all taking even chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timofei Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 Got this coin, but it doesn't look right. The weight is only 7.8g . Don't think genuine coin can have such low weight for this type. Any ideas? Do not judge fakes by the weight. It could be anything. However this coin does not need to be put on scales - it is a fake no matter its weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted February 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 Thanks for the update, Ilya. I hope all goes well with the refund. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheburgen Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 The "coin" is the obvious fake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlyaE Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 Yes, I can see it's an obvious fake now, but I bought a lot of other coins from this seller and they were all good. He was sure it was an original and said there wouldn't be any problems returning it. Hope he will keep his word and I will get my money back without problems. I guess the seller doesn't know much about coins, otherwise he would spot this fake right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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