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it is ordinary coin with the price of not more than 10euro

 

 

Thank you p911 and welcome to the forum. What city are you in?

 

This coin is struck with obverse of 3 Kopecks and reverse of 20 Kopecks. In "CCCP" letters are rounded as on 3 Kopecks of 1926. Compare this coin to other 20 Kopeck coins.

 

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It indeed is slightly different. Here's mine (a normal one) for comparison :

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There seem to be differences especially in the Soviet emblem and the letters CCCP.

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It indeed is slightly different. Here's mine (a normal one) for comparison :

902269.jpg

 

There seem to be differences especially in the Soviet emblem and the letters CCCP.

 

Yes, this is a regular example with obverse and reverse of 20 Kopecks. Worth just a few dollars. Even though on it letters "CCCP" are weakly struck it is still possible to see that they are way less round.

 

Technically the first coin is a mule, but this kind of terminology was never used in Russia. In all Russian references it is listed as "1930 20 Kopecks with obverse of 1926 3 Kopecks", rarity R2. And also known similar 1928 and 1929 20 Kopecks with 1929 being the least rare, about 50 known. So any ideas on its price?

 

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Thank you p911 and welcome to the forum. What city are you in?

 

This coin is struck with obverse of 3 Kopecks and reverse of 20 Kopecks. In "CCCP" letters are rounded as on 3 Kopecks of 1926. Compare this coin to other 20 Kopeck coins.

 

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I am from Moscow, WCO- u r right about the "CCCP" letters, i found this coin in auction http://www.numizma.ru/viewlot.asp?id=13525 - the price is 1122 rubels, so but i didnt find a photo.

 

here is a link about statistics of sold 20 kop 1930 on auctions, there were sold several coins of this types of CCCP / the maximum price is near 7800 rubels

http://tsovin.ru/coins/?nom=&met=i...p;s=nou&p=8

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I am from Moscow, WCO- u r right about the "CCCP" letters, i found this coin in auction http://www.numizma.ru/viewlot.asp?id=13525 - the price is 1122 rubels, so but i didnt find a photo.

 

here is a link about statistics of sold 20 kop 1930 on auctions, there were sold several coins of this types of CCCP / the maximum price is near 7800 rubels

http://tsovin.ru/coins/?nom=&met=i...p;s=nou&p=8

 

 

I got all the records from the same and other sources (look the very first message). About 6-7 pieces were sold since 2000 that I was able to find. 7729 Rubles (close to $300) that was for AU coin and a year ago. And AU was the highest grade that was sold since year 2000. The question is what a BU coin would worth today? Still think it's below 10 Euro? :ninja:

 

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I got all the records from the same and other sources (look the very first message). About 6-7 pieces were sold since 2000 that I was able to find. 7729 Rubles (close to $300) that was for AU coin and a year ago. And AU was the highest grade that was sold since year 2000. The question is what a BU coin would worth today? Still think it's below 10 Euro? :ninja:

 

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i suppose 700-900 euro

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i suppose 700-900 euro

 

Thank you for the help. I hope someone else will give an advise too. :ninja:

 

Question off topic. p911, what coins you collect, or you are a dealer? Often visiting coin club in Ulan Bator? In another thread you offered help with buying coins from Russia. I am actually interested in some modern coins like rare coins after 1957, especially most recent rarities. I am in New-York, so how you can help me with them?

 

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Thank you for the help. I hope someone else will give an advise too. :ninja:

 

Question off topic. p911, what coins you collect, or you are a dealer? Often visiting coin club in Ulan Bator? In another thread you offered help with buying coins from Russia. I am actually interested in some modern coins like rare coins after 1957, especially most recent rarities. I am in New-York, so how you can help me with them?

 

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So, i collect Russian Rubles before 1917. I visit UlanBator every Sunday.

If u know Russian legislation forbids to take out the coins higher than 50 years old from the country.

But in your case it is possible. So if u r interested in some modern coins u may tell me what u want to buy.

So actually u wont visit Russia, therefore the coins can be sent to US.

If u got any questions about coins - I can help.

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So, i collect Russian Rubles before 1917. I visit UlanBator every Sunday.

If u know Russian legislation forbids to take out the coins higher than 50 years old from the country.

But in your case it is possible. So if u r interested in some modern coins u may tell me what u want to buy.

So actually u wont visit Russia, therefore the coins can be sent to US.

If u got any questions about coins - I can help.

 

Please quote 1990-M 5 Kopecks and 10 Kopecks, 1991 no mintmark 10 and 20 Kopecks, 2001 50 Kop, 1 and 2 Rubles, 1992 10 Rubles bimetallic, type of 1991. 1993 Bimetallic 50 Rubles type of 1992. I am looking for Choice BU coins only.

 

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5 kop 1990 m costs near 50$

10 kop 1990 m - near 100$

10 kop no mintmark - 50$-60$

20 kop no mintmark - near 500$

50 kop 2001 - near 1500$-rare not easy to find/

1 Rub 2001- near 1500$-rare not easy to find/

2 Rub 2001- near 1500$-rare not easy to find/

10 rub 1992 - 40-50$

50 rub 1993 bimet - near 300$

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5 kop 1990 m costs near 50$

10 kop 1990 m - near 100$

10 kop no mintmark - 50$-60$

20 kop no mintmark - near 500$

50 kop 2001 - near 1500$-rare not easy to find/

1 Rub 2001- near 1500$-rare not easy to find/

2 Rub 2001- near 1500$-rare not easy to find/

10 rub 1992 - 40-50$

50 rub 1993 bimet - near 300$

 

I am interested. Do you have any of these available in Super Uncirculated condition? If yes, please contact me via personal messages with the info how I can buy it. Thank you.

 

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Thank you for the help. I hope someone else will give an advise too. :ninja:

 

Question off topic. p911, what coins you collect, or you are a dealer? Often visiting coin club in Ulan Bator? In another thread you offered help with buying coins from Russia. I am actually interested in some modern coins like rare coins after 1957, especially most recent rarities. I am in New-York, so how you can help me with them?

 

WCO

 

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$1000 I think will be Okey for this Condition.

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5 kop 1990 m costs near 50$

10 kop 1990 m - near 100$

10 kop no mintmark - 50$-60$

20 kop no mintmark - near 500$

50 kop 2001 - near 1500$-rare not easy to find/

1 Rub 2001- near 1500$-rare not easy to find/

2 Rub 2001- near 1500$-rare not easy to find/

10 rub 1992 - 40-50$

50 rub 1993 bimet - near 300$

 

 

p911 :ninja:

 

Could you send me VIA message about details?

 

Thanks!

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In all Russian references it is listed as "1930 20 Kopecks with obverse of 1926 3 Kopecks", rarity R2.

 

Not exactly correct.

In 1974, Mr Moshniagin and Mr Dashevsky in their publication in Soviet Collector #12 mentioned on page 126 (translated from Russian):

"...there are known examples of 20 kopeks 1928-1930 minted with obverse of 3 kopeks 1926. Rarity-R1".

 

Based on the comparison with other coins' rarity levels from the publication, I'd suggest that the price should be somewhere between $150 and $200. Again, this is just my opinion.

 

Best wishes from

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Not exactly correct.

In 1974, Mr Moshniagin and Mr Dashevsky in their publication in Soviet Collector #12 mentioned on page 126 (translated from Russian):

"...there are known examples of 20 kopeks 1928-1930 minted with obverse of 3 kopeks 1926. Rarity-R1".

 

Based on the comparison with other coins' rarity levels from the publication, I'd suggest that the price should be somewhere between $150 and $200. Again, this is just my opinion.

 

Best wishes from

 

GHV, Oldman, Thank you for your opinions.

 

In any case it's a scarce coin. In Moshniagin & Dashevskiy article it said for all 3 dates that rarity is R1. And what R1 means there? And it is obvious that 3 dates have different rarity levels with 1928 found more often.

 

Schelokov lists 1930 20 Kopecks as R2 (less than 35 known).

 

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WCO

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GHV, Oldman, Thank you for your opinions.

 

In any case it's a scarce coin. In Moshniagin & Dashevskiy article it said for all 3 dates that rarity is R1. And what R1 means there? And it is obvious that 3 dates have different rarity levels with 1928 found more often.

R1 means R1 and not R2 or R3 :ninja: Seriously, this is the lowest rarity level in their publication (R1 through R5).

Schelokov lists 1930 20 Kopecks as R2 (less than 35 known).

 

Best regards,

WCO

I would not bet on the number here - all numbers are very generic and do not reflect actual situation.

In any event, the coin is nice and scarce but I don' t believe it should be valued much more than I have already suggested.

Thank you,

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R1 means R1 and not R2 or R3 :ninja: Seriously, this is the lowest rarity level in their publication (R1 through R5).

 

I would not bet on the number here - all numbers are very generic and do not reflect actual situation.

In any event, the coin is nice and scarce but I don' t believe it should be valued much more than I have already suggested.

Thank you,

 

...and I was 100 % right !

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...p;rd=1&rd=1

 

These coins are not very popular . If it were a simple Rouble.....;)

 

Trully yours,

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...and I was 100 % right !

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...p;rd=1&rd=1

 

These coins are not very popular . If it were a simple Rouble.....;)

 

Trully yours,

 

Hi,

When we were guessing the price for this coin, we didn't know that we talking about Cleaned coin price :-)

For cleaned coin I think final price was quite high.

But if coin will be in BU GEM condition as MS65/66, I'm sure price could be much much higher.

 

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