gxseries Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 The era of 1830s fascinate me as it is the very era that platinum coinages and commemorative coins started to pop out, as well as the scarce Kolyvan commemorative gold ruble. I have been fortunate enough to see them with my real eyes as dealers here did own 3 ruble gold and 3 ruble platinum coins, both circulated. However, never have I seen a platinum 6 and 12 rubles, which makes me wonder if inflation started to occur around that time. In fact, I don't quite remember seeing anywhere on the net of 6 and 12 ruble coins any lower than XF. Mustn't have been popular at all. My question is, what was a ruble worth at that time? What could one get with a ruble at that time? And assuming if 12 rubles were legal tender, what could that have possibly bought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norse_man Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 Here is some info I found on a Russian site, it's a price index for 1711 to 1913. I added English translations, though I couldn't translate the difference between the two butter products etc. The units under each date are in Kopeks. Товар/Item Unit 1711-14 1761-70 1801-10 1853 1913 Мукаржаная Flour Product кг/kg 156 237 489 644 763 Мукапшеничная Flour Product кг/kg 72 110 236 324 373 Крупагречневая Buck wheat? кг/kg 128 194 280 501 516 Говядина Beef кг/kg 122 107 157 152 135 Маслопостное Butter кг/kg 48 52 114 141 145 Маслокоровье Butter кг/kg 31 33 74 78 37 Молоко Milk литр/liter 490 185 - 217 182 Мед Honey кг/kg 62 27 81 99 144 Сахар Sugar кг/kg 7 10 18 41 129 Рыба Fish кг/kg 77 53 - 117 92 Яйца Eggs кг/kg 857 840 699 88 Водка Vodka литр/liter 33 22 100 76 70 Сапоги Boots пара/pair 9 5 13 11 17 Башмаки Shoes пара/pair 9 10 24 20 31 Полотнольняное Linen метр/m 61 55 116 176 101 Сукносермяжное Fabric метр/m 43 43 - 117 96 Here's the resources I used: http://www.expert.ru/printissues/northwest...6/36no-sobshs1/ and, http://www.iisg.nl/hpw/papers/mironov.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxseries Posted April 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 Very interesting!!! Thank you Norse man! Interesting to see how flour is very expensive in those days. Even beef is cheaper! Makes me wonder how much kartoshka (potatoes) cost back then. Of course vodka has always been at reasonable prices Now that table doesn't quite make sense why 1/2 and 1/4 kopeks continued well Nicholai II era although I guess that was meant for really small change for 1/2 kilos, 1/4 kilos, etc of food. As well as - welcome to coinpeople as well as the 3000th member! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariba Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 Here is some info I found on a Russian site, it's a price index for 1711 to 1913. I added English translations, though I couldn't translate the difference between the two butter products etc. The units under each date are in Kopeks. Товар/Item Unit 1711-14 1761-70 1801-10 1853 1913 Мукаржаная Flour Product кг/kg 156 237 489 644 763 Мукапшеничная Flour Product кг/kg 72 110 236 324 373 Маслопостное Butter кг/kg 48 52 114 141 145 Маслокоровье Butter кг/kg 31 33 74 78 37 "Мука ржаная" is rye flour. "Мука пшеничная" is wheat flour. "Масло постное" is vegetable oil (not sure what they made it from at that time, most likely from sunflower). "Масло коровье" is butter (from cow's milk). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grivna1726 Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 Very interesting!!! Thank you Norse man! Interesting to see how flour is very expensive in those days. Even beef is cheaper! Makes me wonder how much kartoshka (potatoes) cost back then. Of course vodka has always been at reasonable prices It seems that most grain products are surprisingly expensive when compared to animal products (with the exception of eggs which are really pricy, then are suddenly dramatically cheaper). Now that table doesn't quite make sense why 1/2 and 1/4 kopeks continued well Nicholai II era although I guess that was meant for really small change for 1/2 kilos, 1/4 kilos, etc of food. These prices suggest that the polushka must have been nearly worthless, maybe just useful for paying sales taxes (if there was such a tax). As well as - welcome to coinpeople as well as the 3000th member! ;) Yes, welcome Norse_man, and thank you for such an excellent first post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottishmoney Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 The fact that wheat based products, ie bread, flour etc were so expensive then has more to do with the means in which it was produced, for one, there was no mechanical way to harvest, separate from chaf, and then grinding into flour was very labour intensive. A barrel of flour out on the frontier in the mid west of the USA could cost $50 or more during the 1850's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottishmoney Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 All this talk about bread, food etc reminds me of saying I learned in school: хлеб и каша пиша наша! And how true it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grivna1726 Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 A barrel of flour out on the frontier in the mid west of the USA could cost $50 or more during the 1850's. And that was $50 in gold (about 2.5 ounces), roughly $1,650-$1,700 today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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