hiho Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 1628 - 1/2 taler commemorating the consecration of the new Salzburg cathedral Beautiful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 1627 silver Patagon minted in Artois (rat mint mark above crown on dated side) for Arras. Followed by a silver jeton issued for Pierre Le Marchant, the Treasurer general of france at that time and Kings Counsellor to Louis XIII. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worldcoinguy Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 One more German piece from Bavaria - 1626 taler. This is my last one for while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 1625 silver jeton issued to mark the marriage between Charles I of Great Britain, and Henrietta Marie of France Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Ian - Thats a neat design on that 1631 silver jeton. Here's a 1632 with the same reverse detail, but in better nick. The 1631 is a real emigma though. The explanation i've been presented with in the past for the reverse of the 1632 is that it relates to the taking of Saluces (Savoy) that same year, yet the 1631 jeton pre- dates that event. Clearly the design has nothing to do with events in Savoy in 1632. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 These coins and jetons are getting better and better the further back we go... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
constanius Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Here's a 1632 with the same reverse detail, but in better nick. The 1631 is a real emigma though. The explanation i've been presented with in the past for the reverse of the 1632 is that it relates to the taking of Saluces (Savoy) that same year, yet the 1631 jeton pre- dates that event. Clearly the design has nothing to do with events in Savoy in 1632 DE LA SOCIÉTÉ 'ARCHÉOLOGIE LORRAINE ET DU MUSEE HISTORIQUE LORRAIN. VINGT-HUITIÈME ANNEE. — 1879. Cette riposte est trop claire pour que nous ayons à nous y arrêter; mais on voit par nos jetons de 1631 et 1632, à la légende FVGAT OPORTVNE, dont le sens sarcastique est également facile à saisir du moment où ces pièces sont rapportées aux défaites que 'l'intervention de la France venait de faire éprouver au duc de Savoie et à ses alliés, que le vieil OPl'ORTVNE de Charles-Emmanuel et la manière piquante dont Henri IV y avait répondu en 1601, étaient encore connus des beaux-esprits chargés de fournir des devises pour les jetons des administrations royales. Le jeton qui porte la date de 1631 est le seul que nous croyions officiel (The counter which carries date from 1631 is the only as we believe is official: my translation!). Frappé pour l'époque du 1 janvier, il se rapporte, suivant l'usage, aux événements de l'année précédente, année dans le cours de laquelle Charles-Emmanuel était mort, « de douleur, dit le président Hénault, du voir par sa fausse politique son pays également ouvert aux Français et à ses alliés ». This article shows that the 1631 jeton was an official one issued for the invasion of Savoy 1630-1631 and they believed that the 1632 jeton was an unofficial jeton just using the design of the 1631 jeton. LINK TO THE ARTICLE The Peace of Cherasco which put an end to the second Monferrato war, drawn up in April 1631 by Emperor Ferdinand III, Louis XIII of France, and Vittorio Amedeo I, Duke of Savoy. So the 1632 jeton was struck after the Peace Treaty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 (snip) This article shows that the 1631 jeton was an official one issued for the invasion of Savoy 1630-1631 and they believed that the 1632 jeton was an unofficial jeton just using the design of the 1631 jeton. LINK TO THE ARTICLE The Peace of Cherasco which put an end to the second Monferrato war, drawn up in April 1631 by Emperor Ferdinand III, Louis XIII of France, and Vittorio Amedeo I, Duke of Savoy. So the 1632 jeton was struck after the Peace Treaty. I am once more profoundly impressed by your research abilities. Many thanks indeed. I could find absolutely nothing when I searched for data concerning the 1631. 1632 is the only date listed in Feuardent, and Mitchiner for the legend, which is in itself a little strange given that the 1632 appears to be subject of debate in relation to its bon fides. The article you have found confirms the association of the 1631 reverse with Savoy, but for me raises questions as to why it is matched with the Chancellory as opposed to for example the `Conseil du Roi' (?). I suspect there may be more to the story behind this one just waiting to be unravelled. Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
constanius Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 The article you have found confirms the association of the 1631 reverse with Savoy, but for me raises questions as to why it is matched with the Chancellory as opposed to for example the `Conseil du Roi' (?). I suspect there may be more to the story behind this one just waiting to be unravelled. Ian Hi Ian, wish I was able to read & understand french better. Could a possible explaination for the Chancellory being used, & not the Conseil du Roi, be the power struggle behind the scenes between the Queen Mother & the Kings brother trying to destroy Richelieu in 1630. I don't know if that makes sense at all. Also I believe that I read somewhere that the King was unwell and it was Richelieu that ordered the invasion of Savoy in 1630. I almost forgot, what a great collection you have!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElleKitty Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 1624 silver coin of Sigismund III. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 Hi Ian, wish I was able to read & understand french better. Could a possible explaination for the Chancellory being used, & not the Conseil du Roi, be the power struggle behind the scenes between the Queen Mother & the Kings brother trying to destroy Richelieu in 1630. I don't know if that makes sense at all. Also I believe that I read somewhere that the King was unwell and it was Richelieu that ordered the invasion of Savoy in 1630. I almost forgot, what a great collection you have!!! Thanks again. I had thought that the 1632 jeton was more probably related to the routing of the Kings brother Gaston, Duc D'Orlean and Henri Duc de Montmorency (who was subsequently captured, imprisoned at Toulouse and subsequently put to death for treason)....Richelieu certainly knew how to make friends and influence people To catch up with the rest of the thread, here's another silver jeton dated 1623. I'm not sure if the reverse design is associated with any particular part of the administration. my suspicions are that it was a`stock' jeton. That is, a design that was struck and held in rreserve against the need to make up any shortfall in requirements elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marianne Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 1622 West Friesland daalder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElleKitty Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Another 1622. This is one of my favourite coins; a copper 8 maravedi coin of Spain, restruck to a lower denomination at a later date. Mint NR, Nuevo Reina (Bogota, Colombia.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 a few from me for 1621 1. A Tallero of ferdinand II de Medici issued for Pisa. 2. A silver jeton of Marie de Medici, mother of Louis XIII and issued as Queen Regent. 3. A large 60 silver 60 kreuzer , crudely struck as ever for this issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worldcoinguy Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 1621 Frankfurt taler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 Nice! I like the early Frankfurt talers. Real money. Your posting just reminded me that I have a 1622 of that very same type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiho Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 Your posting just reminded me that I have a 1622 of that very same type. I love it when I remember that I have a coin that I had forgotten about. Not sure if it is too many coins or old age setting in that causes this, perhaps a combination of both. Nice Pisa Tallero there Ian. I wonder if I have one of those? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 I love it when I remember that I have a coin that I had forgotten about.Not sure if it is too many coins or old age setting in that causes this, perhaps a combination of both. Nice Pisa Tallero there Ian. I wonder if I have one of those? you should maybe go and check in your collection as i did ........here's the 1622 I mentioned: in the interim, moving forward here's a 1620 silver escalin from the Brabant (Spanish Netherlands). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 1619 `cuivre jaune' (yellow copper /brass) jeton issued for the `Conseil du Roi'. Poor quality, but 1619 and one step further backwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 1618 'orte' from Danzig, complete with hole. 1617 silver jeton issued for the Conseil du Roi (Kings Counsel) 1616 silver daalder from Utrecht, Netherlands over to somebody else for now....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 1615 jeton of Louis XIII complete with angry knife marks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worldcoinguy Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 1615 taler from Austria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 1614 double liard from Bouillon et Sedan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 1613 double liard from Nevers et Rethel (France) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedeadpoint Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 You're unstoppable, Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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