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Hello,

I've recently acquired several jettons (or is it jetons?- I've seen it spelled both ways) from an elderly family friend who is a historian and I'd like to try to learn more about them. Of course I want to know if there's any value, but if someone were able to tell me the wheres and whens and perhaps more about the whys of these curiosities I'd very much appreciate it. I don't imagine there is a Redbook of tokens of the 1600s & 1700s or the like... is there? Thanks much for any assistance with these. On a technical note, some of these are quite dark, lighting was a real chore, if better images are needed, please ask and I'll try to take additional images and post them soon.

 

Dated 1701, silver, approx 30mm

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Dated 1677, copper, approx 30mm

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no date, copper, approx 28mm

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dated 1688, copper, approx 28mm

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no date, copper, approx 25mm

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more in follow up soon

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Some nice jetons. There are several references. Mitchiner's JETONS, MEDALETS AND TOKENS might be best for your purposes. It comes in three volumes (you might want to pick and chose the ones of interest, $140 per volume). Several of us can provide some references for what you have over the next few days. You can also go to www.cgb.fr and look through their jeton catalogs. The later ones include images. You can also try a google search using something like:

 

AMBITIOS site:www.cgb.fr for a rapid search of their listings.

 

Substitute any unique text from a jeton in place of AMBITIOS to search for a particular piece.

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Some nice jetons. There are several references. Mitchiner's JETONS, MEDALETS AND TOKENS might be best for your purposes. It comes in three volumes (you might want to pick and chose the ones of interest, $140 per volume). Several of us can provide some references for what you have over the next few days. You can also go to www.cgb.fr and look through their jeton catalogs. The later ones include images. You can also try a google search using something like:

 

AMBITIOS site:www.cgb.fr for a rapid search of their listings.

 

Substitute any unique text from a jeton in place of AMBITIOS to search for a particular piece.

 

Bill's advice is very sound.

 

The subject of `jetons' (or `jettons' if you prefer) is vast, so trying to give you a history and explanation in a few sentences...or even essays is a non starter.

 

I suggest you do some internet research under `jetons' in order to get a general background as to what they are, their origins etcetera.... cgb.fr is actually quite good for that too although you might have to use your cut and paste skills /babelfish in order to gain a full appreciation of the data that they have available to you. It is well worth the effort though.

 

I've had a look over your items and here's some data for you.

 

1. Secretaires du Roi. This silver jeton is in very collectable condition. Unfortunately it is part of a lengthy series and there is not much difference from jeton to jeton, hence their value is not particularly high. You can normally obtain these on ebay for under 30 euro.

 

2. Issued for the Lille Estates. referenced as Feuardent 7224. Not in particularly good condition. I'm hesitant on putting a value to it as I don't really know the strength of interest there would be for it. I would however be surprised if it attracted much more than 5 euro given its condition.

 

3. `Late Cuncta Profundit'. Not in particularly good condition. This is what is known as a `stock jeton'. These were struck and held in reserve against the event of there being a shortfall in the requirements for jetons from the various administrations. Usually you see this jeton in silver and it is quite common but i'm not so sure how common it is in base metal. Again i'd be surprised if it was worth more than $5 given its low grade.

 

4. Issued for the military administration of the Extraordinaires des Guerres - Treasury. I don't have a reference for it other than it is mentioned in Mitchiner as being Mercure 941. Not in great condition again though and once more I suspect of little monetary value.

 

5. Auget Victoria Vires. Another stock jeton (Feuardent 12758). Hercules standing. Much the same as regards value.

 

6. Serviens Uni Nullum Non Servat. issued for Artois / Flanders. referenced in Mitchiner as having a value of £20 in VF. Your one is VG at best and as such i'd say much the same value as the others before it. Feuardent 12934

 

7. Haec Pondera Iusti. Feuardent 3780 issued for Sebastian Cramoisy, Director of the Royal printing Works in 1643. he was also a Sherrif (Eschevin) of Paris. Again, not all that great a condition, but I think that one might garner a little more interest. Value upwards of $15 perhaps.... it is difficult to tell.

 

8. A hans Krauwinkel jeton (Nurenberg). You need to refer to Michael Mitchiners `Jetons etc...vol 1' which I don't have.

 

9. `Querere quam tueni non tam / Ut iuncor'.....i've no idea. Probably a Nurenberg issue

 

10. Ex pace ubertas....another Nurenberg issue methinks.

 

11. another Nurenberg issue

 

12. I haven't a clue about that. looks scandinavian.....but i could be well off the mark.

 

13. It's what looks like a silver `quart d'ecu' of Henri III (a silver coin roughly the size of a half dollar). The mint mark is a letter at the lower tip of the shield. In this case it looks to me to be either an `I' (Limoges mint) or an `L' (Bayonne mint). The coin looks as if it has been either in the ground/ in a fire/ or in a mould. What I mean by that is that i'm not certain that it is genuine. There are what appear to be cast marks on the surfaces. This could be because it is a fake or because it has been damaged (as in almost melted) in a fire.

 

The earth like deposits on it are rather worrying if i am to be honest. if it is genuine it can be referenced in Ciani as 1438 although the legends are slightly in variance to that reference. This is not particularly uncommon though.

 

Best I can do for now. Hope that helps get you started though.

 

Ian

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