jlueke Posted February 18, 2007 Report Share Posted February 18, 2007 I really can't say what I think about those here or I'd be thrown off forever. I just think we have hit another one of those wonderful Susan B. Anthony/Sacagawea things. No one I know wants them around at all. They still get mixed up in change with quarters and eventually so will these. What is going to be a riot is trying to use one for a dollar in a store. I still can't get stores to take the other little baby dollars. They are perfect for tipping in bars and restaurants. Other than that don't you just use your debit card anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlueke Posted February 18, 2007 Report Share Posted February 18, 2007 Seconded! But, as my dad pointed out, the mint/government is trying to attract new collectors, not trying to make current collectors like us happy. I wonder what makes them think presidents will be more popular than re-introducing a beautiful classic? Maybe they should ask us collectors what we would like to see - before wasting money and effort - and what it was that got us into collecting. It sure as infierno wasn't Presidential Dollars, and for many of us (just an assumption, correct me if I'm wrong) it wasn't SQs, either. The mint makes money. The proof and mint sets in all their variations have got to have pretty good margins. The mint struck gold with the State Quarters so this is really a pretty logical development. Now you get the regular proof set, the state quarters set, and the Presidents set. More $$$ for bottom line. The bigger the profit the fewer tax dollars they need to use, so it's all good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClearwaterCoins Posted February 18, 2007 Report Share Posted February 18, 2007 I think the coin has a very cartoonish look to it. I am sure the mint could have done better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
28Plain Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 Seconded! But, as my dad pointed out, the mint/government is trying to attract new collectors, not trying to make current collectors like us happy. I wonder what makes them think presidents will be more popular than re-introducing a beautiful classic? Maybe they should ask us collectors what we would like to see - before wasting money and effort - and what it was that got us into collecting. It sure as infierno wasn't Presidential Dollars, and for many of us (just an assumption, correct me if I'm wrong) it wasn't SQs, either. My best guess is that people in government can't conceive of anyone not buying into the mythical cult of celebrity created by politicians for themselves. They must hope that we see presidents as "leaders", or in other words, heroes or idols instead of what they actually are: the damned hired help. To me, politicians are the lowest form of life on earth. Stamping their images on coins are simply a way of reinforcing the idea that they are somehow more deserving of adulation than people wo work for a living. Nothing could be more ridiculous to a thinking person. The politicians whose images appear on coins were mostly very homely looking goobers anyway. I wasn't drawn into collecting coins by any of the issues with politicians on them and have never built a set of Lincolns, roosies, washers or jeffs and probably never will. The later coins struck of common industrial metals aren't even collectible to me, and most of the state quarters are forgettable designs. The new dollars feature a cartoonish likeness of Washington, which is typical of the US mint's modern portraits. I doubt any of the subsequent issues will be any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreasureGirl Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 Well, I was kind of fishing for a mint series on "The Most Beautiful American Coins to Date" in golden dollar form... but again, like that's gonna happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 Well, I got two rolls (Both P mint mark) and the first thing I noticed, even while the bank teller still had them in her hand was that they were so shiny. The super shine on the coin is what I think makes it look bad more than anything. While Georges portrait is not the most attractive, I think with some toning it might turn out OK. To that end I have been carrying around a piece in my pocket since day one to try and see what happens. I believe that the rest of the design isn't too awful, but I was sorely disappointed in the rim. The rims on almost all the coins were rather mucked up and weren't flat, but rather roughly rounded like they were sanded down on the edges. I also felt the rim lettering was rather hard to read because of this. Perhaps subsequent coins will be better in this regard. I found no errors in my roll I opened - other than on the reverse, one had a thinner border at one edge - but I saw this on other coins as well. I did, however, keep two versions of each with the letters up and down - don't know why really. I kept one roll and put it away. As for the opened roll, I gave one away, put four in my coin folder, one's in my pocket and the rest I will spend - after all, that's really the best thing they're good for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drusus Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 hmmm...I dont see GW as 'just the hired help'. He fought to free our country from british rule...he was the first president of the new country of america...just a man...but a great man IMO. He did do just a little more than work a 9 to 5. But then again...as some may well know, I collect coins for mainly one reason...portraits...I dont believe the bust on this coin is cartoonish at all...from portraits I have seen of GW I would say its a very good likeness... I dont think GW should be worshiped nor do I think most do...its the history of our great nation that he represents... Just like Simon Bolivar, Diponegoro, Charlemagne Perrault, Jose Morelos, etc... a nation puts people on coins that they admire or have gone above and beyond. When a person comes to the country, gets a coin and sees a person on the coin they wonder who it is, they might even look it up...they will find out who that person is and why he is on this nations coinage...what kind a person, characteristics and actions that this country admires. I wont go off on a political rant as I dont see it as political...its simply a matter of history, like or dislike it, GW is a HUGE part of american history and for that we put him on a coin. Not because he was godlike because after all he was just a man, but because of the part he played in this nations history...That being said...we need a coin in circulation with MLK If countries didnt put portraits on coins...I would probably not be collecting them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syzygy Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 hmmm...I dont see GW as 'just the hired help'. He fought to free our country from british rule...he was the first president of the new country of america...just a man...but a great man IMO. He did do just a little more than work a 9 to 5...... Some very good points Drusus. I was reading the Washington Post on this holiday and there is an article featuring the 'unveiling' of Washington's resignation speech in 1783. The article also has a scan of the actual document and the text! PDF here. I'm not sure if the links will come through ok or if you have to sign up for the Post, but if you get a chance, check out the short speech. (for some reason I had to right-click and 'save as' to get the pdf - don't know if that is an IE 7.0 issue or what). Having civilian leadership of the nation's military is a pretty heavy concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drusus Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 Wow...We are lucky to have had such a man at such a critical time...I cringe just thinking what the US might have been like with a less humble, more power hungry man in his place. If you dont mind will post it: Washington’s Resignation Speech (Final Draft) Annapolis, December 23, 1783 Mr. President, The great events on which my resignation depended, having at length taken place, I have now the honor of offering my sincere congratulations to Congress, and [&] of presenting myself before {Congress} them, to surrenderinto their hands the trust committed to me, and to claim the indulgence of retiring {request permission to retire} from the service of my country. Happy in the confirmation of our independence and sovereignty, and pleased with the opportunity afforded the United States, of becoming a respectable Nation {as well as in the contemplation of our prospect of National happiness}, I resign with satisfaction the appointment I accepted with diffidence --- a diffidence in my abilities to accomplish so arduous a task, which however was superseded by a confidence in the rectitude of our Cause, the support of the supreme Power of the Union, and the patronage of Heaven. The successful termination of the War has verified the most sanguine expectations- and my gratitude for the interposition of Providence, and the assistance I have received from my Countrymen, increases with every review of the momentous Contest. While I repeat my obligations to the army in general, I should do injustice to my own feelings not to acknowledge in this place the peculiar services and distinguished merits of the Gentlemen who have been attached to my person during the war. -- It was impossible the choice of confidential officers to compose my family should have been more fortunate. --Permit me Sir, to recommend in particular those, who have continued in service to the present moment, as worthy of the favorable notice & patronage of Congress.-- I consider it an indispensable duty {duty} to close this last solemn act of my Official life, by commending the Interests of our dearest Country to the protection of Almighty God, and those who have the superintendance {direction} of them, to his holy keeping.-- Having now finished the work assigned me, I retire from the great theatre of action, -- and bidding an affectionate {a final} farewell to this August body, under whose orders I have so long acted, I here offer {today deliver?} my Commission, and take my {ultimate} leave of all the employments of public life.-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
28Plain Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 hmmm...I dont see GW as 'just the hired help'. He fought to free our country from british rule...he was the first president of the new country of america...just a man...but a great man IMO. He did do just a little more than work a 9 to 5. But then again...as some may well know, I collect coins for mainly one reason...portraits...I dont believe the bust on this coin is cartoonish at all...from portraits I have seen of GW I would say its a very good likeness... I dont think GW should be worshiped nor do I think most do...its the history of our great nation that he represents... Just like Simon Bolivar, Diponegoro, Charlemagne Perrault, Jose Morelos, etc... a nation puts people on coins that they admire or have gone above and beyond. When a person comes to the country, gets a coin and sees a person on the coin they wonder who it is, they might even look it up...they will find out who that person is and why he is on this nations coinage...what kind a person, characteristics and actions that this country admires. I wont go off on a political rant as I dont see it as political...its simply a matter of history, like or dislike it, GW is a HUGE part of american history and for that we put him on a coin. Not because he was godlike because after all he was just a man, but because of the part he played in this nations history...That being said...we need a coin in circulation with MLK If countries didnt put portraits on coins...I would probably not be collecting them Washington wasn't a politician and wouldn't have agreed to having his portrait on a coin. He wasn't the first president, only the first to be elected under the new consitution, and yes he was just hired help in the position of president. If you like portraits, that's fine, but they have no place on our coins. Not until paper money reared its ugly head in the 19th century were politicians depicted on money. If what you say about admirable people being depicted on coins, why is Lincoln on a coin? Why is FDR on a coin? Their portraits are on coins as a means of validating the myths of their greatness when they were, in truth, lying, murderous dictators who violated all the principles on which the country was founded. You should study some history instead of swallowing the myths of greatness written for politicians by court historians at the behest of amoral scumbags in government who live at the expense of the people they pretend to serve. Washington would be appalled to see his portrait on a base metal dollar coin which is worth less than its metal content. he would be doubly appalled to learn that the coin isn't even considered property of the bearer under federal legal tender laws. As long as the money os going to be worthless base metal and paper , I suppose it's not surprising that it should be adorned with the portraits of politicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drusus Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Well I do study history...and I think ol abe was admirable. I wont bicker about it. I think Washington was a great man (him not wanting his portrait on a coin proves this all the more, he was humble) as were many (not all) of our presidents. But they all go into making our nation what it is. I guess I am glad that we have portraits on our coins...I would certainly like to see more variety but presidents will do Each one presided over this nation good or bad. Many when above and beyond...not just hired help...great men who gave their lives for this country...what have you done lately? Dont bother answering this...you are bickering on a coin forum. I think you are making the common mistake that many people who overestimate the import of their own opinions and underestimate (or simply disdain) the people around them make in thinking because someone does not see things your way that they must be ill informed, brain washed, stupid, etc... I assume you think you see things clear as a bell. Lets just leave it at 'we disagree' and be done with it...you obviously have much bigger issues and I am obviously 'uninformed' in history so I couldn't hope to catch up as I have just swallowed those myths...my feeble mind probably couldnt comprehend anything you put forth...even now my head is spinning from thinking about it... I DO find it ironic that such rhetoric is spewing from a person with a portrait of a hereditary monarch on a coin in his avatar but...What DO I know Take care now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedeadpoint Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 So. where is the best place for a college boy to get his hands on some of these dollas?! I wish I had more reasons to go cross-campus to use the stamp machine IF I figured they'd actually stock the thing with the new coins.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreasureGirl Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 lying, murderous dictators who violated all the principles on which the country was founded Not to open a can of worms, I'm just wondering where you're coming from. --> not trying to start an argument <-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drusus Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 I think there is an opt in political forum here for this stuff...I think you are allowed to rant and rave there all one wishes...this seems to have strayed from the topic of coins. I am no moderator though so I will take my leave. I didnt join this forum to read diatribes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiffibunny Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Leave the dang politics and your opinions out of it. There is a debates forum for that stuff. This thread can easily just slip right in there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreasureGirl Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Hint taken. Back on topic, should I buy a whole roll of the dollars or just a couple singles when I go to the bank today? Also, is there a PDF brochure somewhere that I can print off and tape on the counter at work to make people believe these things are spendable and not refuse them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drusus Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 I bought a roll of 20... gave 4 away kept 5 I have spent 5...still have 6 to spend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tabbs Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Also, is there a PDF brochure somewhere that I can print off and tape on the counter at work to make people believe these things are spendable and not refuse them? Yes, right there: https://materials.usmint.gov/$1coin/ You can even have the promo material delivered (so you don't have to print the stuff yourself). Don't know how long it takes to ship though. So if you are in a hurry ... Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mila_cent Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Also, is there a PDF brochure somewhere that I can print off and tape on the counter at work to make people believe these things are spendable and not refuse them? Yes, there is a PDF file here....www.usmint.gov. You can also order them FREE if you choose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burks Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 ANACS is offering grading for the Presidential Dollars at $8 per coin, 10-day service according to my e-mail. People are selling the PCGS graded "BU" dollars for $15-$20 and they are selling like crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabone Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 I am on my second roll that I have been using for tips. So far everyone that has gotten them has been receptive to them, and without exception said to the effect "I did not know that they were coming out with these!" My bank and credit union have said that they are going to stock them, so I will continue to pick them up to use as tips and car wash coins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burks Posted February 25, 2007 Report Share Posted February 25, 2007 Finally got a roll of them! Here is what I think: 1. Washington looks like someone pee'd in his corn flakes. 2. Reverse is casino token like. Unattractive. 3. They just look and "feel" cheap. 4. The edge lettering - Don't do it again. Ugly, hard to read, and a PITA to see in 2x2's. 5. Horribly bashed up in the rolls I had. Even the edges had big gashes taken out. Just nasty. Even at the coin show today they weren't selling. We only bought one Denver mint coin for each of us. I have no drive to collect these......but will only out of circulation just to keep up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedeadpoint Posted February 25, 2007 Report Share Posted February 25, 2007 Well, my friend just handed me one he got in change from a coffee machine. My reaction: meh. It's not as cheap-feeling as you guys make it out to be. It doesn't feel any cheaper compared to the state quarters with their ugly low-reliefs and ultra-detailed hair. The edge-lettering is less impressive than I expected. It does seem half-assed and cheap. I wish they put the date on one of the faces instead. I still hate the $ sign with a fiery passion. Washington ain't pretty but he ain't that dollar sign. All in all, I'd adopt it as my main form of $1 change (vs the note) and I could live with the series, but I doubt it will circulate. I couldn't tell you what the key is to that problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just carl Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 I've told this story so many times I think the whole world has heard it by now. But hear goes again. WAy, way back in the 70's, Myself and many others heard about a brand new, hot off the presses new Quarter the Mint was producing and although it was sort of like a commemorative, it will be used in circulation. The news articles proclaimed that regardless of the amount minted, they will soon enough be worth a great deal of money. So I and many others went nuts saving as many as possible. In rolls, boxes, bags, jars, cans and all over the place. The uncirculated ones were put into plastic rolls to preserve thier perfect appearances. Recently I had accumulated hundreds of dollars worth and a freind of mine had thousands of dollars worth and most in perfect condition. As coin collectors we all realized the most value will be for the MS graded ones. After about 30 years I thought I would cash some in at coin shows and purchase other more interesting coins I needed to complete sets. I go to about 3 coin shows a month and at all of them and from all dealers I heard the same thing. NO, NO, NO. Not more of those things. Sorry, I too have a mountain of them. Want to buy some more cheap? We have an abundance of coin stores and coin dealers in the area and they to almost laughed at me for trying to sell them. It appears the entire country saved and hoarded those things and now after 30 years they end up being dumped into a coin counter at the bank. If in a savings account I would have at least got something. The point of the story is many people are now hoarding those stupid baby dollars and 30 years from now people will be hearing the same thing. If everyone saves all those and in perfect condition, they will never be worth enough to make them worth tying up your money for a long period of time. In 30 years if you save those things you will be on a forum like this one telling the same story I just did only with dollars instead of quarters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbycoin Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 So.... I gather most of you dont see this as invenstment... that sounds about right for coin collecting. -Bobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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