LostDutchman Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 hey guys I picked up a pair of nice raw uncirculated large cents Both appear to be from the same dies. Plus they made for a neat pic I had to share. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbvenman Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Drooling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan769 Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 beautiful. I always wonder how coins from that era stayed uncirculated. Someone had some foresight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostDutchman Posted January 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 it is amazing sometimes to think where these coins have been since 1818.... who the heck knows.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiggAndyy Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Looks like the reverse dies were falling apart too. Look at the "R" in AMERICA on the coin on the right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burks Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Great looking coins. Those dies cracks are really cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Lee Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Those are beautiful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtryka Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Weren't these part of a hoard of large cents from the 1820s? I read somewhere about piles of these being stored in barrels, all dated 1818 with those same die cracks almost circling the obverse. Neat coins! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostDutchman Posted January 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 I believe these came from the Randall Hoard which was found in a mint sealed keg in 1867 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rittenhouse Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Weren't these part of a hoard of large cents from the 1820s? I read somewhere about piles of these being stored in barrels, all dated 1818 with those same die cracks almost circling the obverse. Neat coins! They're part of the "Randall Hoard", a keg of LC's discovered post-civil war. Accounts of the hoard vary with the best being given in Bowers' "American Coin Hoards and Treasures". Based on the historical accounts and noting what is common today, the hoard is thought to have consisted of several varieties with the 3 most common being 18N10, 20N13 and 20N15. 18N10 is perhaps the most common middle date with, as Noyes says, "thousands in mint state". I would not be surprised at 3k - 4k in mint with an equal number in near mint. 20N13 is almost as common. Lostdutchman's pieces are nice examples of a later state 18N10 with heavy flow lines from the the stars and letters to the rim (die erosion). The reverse die (G) was a "workhorse die" previously used on 18N8. Given the average die life of 350K strikes in 1818, this reverse had to last a good 600K. Arcing die cracks thru the stars and/or letters are fairly common on middle date cents. The relatively close spaced and deeply punched stars and letters create stress points in the die and the dies subsequently crack thru these points due to the stress of coining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedeadpoint Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 What kind of chocolate are they? Mint? Milk? Dark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vfox Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 They're part of the "Randall Hoard", a keg of LC's discovered post-civil war. Accounts of the hoard vary with the best being given in Bowers' "American Coin Hoards and Treasures". Based on the historical accounts and noting what is common today, the hoard is thought to have consisted of several varieties with the 3 most common being 18N10, 20N13 and 20N15. 18N10 is perhaps the most common middle date with, as Noyes says, "thousands in mint state". I would not be surprised at 3k - 4k in mint with an equal number in near mint. 20N13 is almost as common. Lostdutchman's pieces are nice examples of a later state 18N10 with heavy flow lines from the the stars and letters to the rim (die erosion). The reverse die (G) was a "workhorse die" previously used on 18N8. Given the average die life of 350K strikes in 1818, this reverse had to last a good 600K. Arcing die cracks thru the stars and/or letters are fairly common on middle date cents. The relatively close spaced and deeply punched stars and letters create stress points in the die and the dies subsequently crack thru these points due to the stress of coining. Great info, And as for the coins, WOW X 1000, I'd love to own a pair of those ladies. Heck, even one.....in Xf would make me a happy fox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostDutchman Posted January 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 they are dark.... with some very nice luster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vfox Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 they are dark.... with some very nice luster As much as I like a nice red, or chocolate large cent, I've come to appreciate the darker coins. Copper normally wouldn't stay a nice brown after almost 200 years, they show true to form what an old copper should look like, when stored under normal conditions. Those are really choice in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burks Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Chocolate Large Cents with luster *drools* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedeadpoint Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 I have to say. Coinpeople is a double-edged sword. yes, I've learned about die variety collecting (I think I'm gonna be addicted to it) which will be fun to collect but sadly, you guys make me want to stray from my series sets and pick up a few type beauties such as those two above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinCali25 Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 hey guys I picked up a pair of nice raw uncirculated large cents Both appear to be from the same dies. Plus they made for a neat pic I had to share. . The coins themselves are pretty...but the lady on the coin sure isn't! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinCali25 Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Also, what kind of camera are you using? Those are some great close-ups... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henare Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 it is amazing sometimes to think where these coins have been since 1818.... who the heck knows.... i'm sure it's like cents are today ... found in couch cushions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kat Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Prrrrretty coins! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izzy452 Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Very nice coins . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuldFartte Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Those are awesome Matt !!! You keeping both of 'em? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostDutchman Posted January 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 I will prob be moving them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 They're beautiful. It would be nice to keep them together as a pair for the remaineder of collecting time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostDutchman Posted January 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 I think so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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