GHV Posted November 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 A genuine 12R is unquestionably worth a lot, but I think we are about to see that in these crazy times a coin with a poor picture which could not even be authenticated by picture alone + unknown return policy will still sell for quite a premium over the bullion value. BTW, one of the 3R this guy sold recently, resurfaced on ebay about a month later with a better picture & sold for $500+ more. This time the seller was the buyer of the previous lot. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=260030050706 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=280043447112 Would not be very much surprised if something like that happens here too. and where is a garanty that first 2 3 rubles coins originals? it sold out without any grading and buyers doesn`t know it is originals or very well produced copies. My opinion if Seller of 12 roubles has any idea that coins he`s selling worth thousands of dollars he could find better way to sell than on e-bay. If I could buy this coin i whould by personal fly to UK with a NGC expert and grade this coin over there. Sound stupid but most secure than play Casino with bunch of $$$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RW Julian Posted November 24, 2006 Report Share Posted November 24, 2006 All I am trying to say that it is very difficult if always even possible to tell what is NOVODEL and what is NOT. May be my example is not that good. There are many other examples. 1911 gold 10 Rubles not listed as NOVODEL in any reference, still million or so pieces was struck in 1920's by St. Petersburg mint. This is known for MANY different coins that bear certain date and were struck at later time. 1915 Rubles for example, copper coinage of 1867-EM (that should be rare) and many many others. WCO The 1911 ten roubles in gold, if that was in fact the date restruck in the 1920s, could be considered a novodel. The 1915 rouble is known to have been restruck in the 1920s and the same comment holds. The 1867 EM copper pieces, however, are not novodels. These were almost certainly struck in 1868 for circulation and it was relatively common for 19th century mints to use out-dated dies in this way for reasons of economy. Most world mints worked under rules stating that the date of coinage should appear on the coin and this was usually honored, but not always. It is worth mentioning that virtually all published figures for Russian coinage after 1885 are for fiscal years and therefore nearly worthless in determining rarity. RWJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorS Posted November 24, 2006 Report Share Posted November 24, 2006 The coin (if it is a coin) brought decent money considering the lack of information, guaranties, and good picture. Too bad Ebay is not showing all the bidders now, just the winner. I would like to know who the underbidder was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 I dont think those 12 rubles are that rare.... another one just popped up on fleabay yesterday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobh Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 I dont think those 12 rubles are that rare.... another one just popped up on fleabay yesterday! The fake ones aren't rare ... but the GENUINE ones certainly are! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxseries Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 Big mistake. 12 rubles ARE uncommon. A genuine one will easily cost 5 grand and well duh - good reason why you see so many on ebay: they are just cheap counterfeits to throw buyers thinking that they got a bargain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kisenish Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 Big mistake. 12 rubles ARE uncommon. A genuine one will easily cost 5 grand and well duh - good reason why you see so many on ebay: they are just cheap counterfeits to throw buyers thinking that they got a bargain. Oh, gxseries, maybe you've missed a zero after 5? http://www.hdrauch.com/auction/coins/index...7b4401ba7f0d78e Ok, that's a PP, but there is no chance, you can get a genuine 12 Rouble piece for 5000 USD, the prices are now in the range 17000-25000 Euro and will never go down, since these coins are very rare due to the low mintage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxseries Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 Oops. Big mistake. What I meant was 5 figures, not 5 grand Nevertheless, they are NOT common. Prices do indicate what you are looking at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 i was speaking in sarcasm about that fake.. I did see a platinum 12 R once, with my nose pressed against the glass at the smithsonian museum! (my wife couldnt understand what i was so excited about....) In fact, so common are these, the smithsonian has 2 of them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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