BKB Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 I bought this medal for an obvious reason. Do not know much about it. The only info I know is: It was made on Paris Mint in 1974. It was a part of the series commemorating the coins of the world. There were copper medals (mintage 500 of each) and silver (mintage 250 each) The edge is a copy of that of poltina. I am looking for any additional information. Thank you for your help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 Greetings. I am new to this forum. Lots of good stuff, especially exposing all the fakes out there. I had no idea the fakes were so good, and applaud your efforts. Your medal caught my eye, and scared me at first, because i have this one, but comparing the two, i think i can relax. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timofei Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 i think i can relax. Thanks! I am affraid it is too early to say that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RARENUM Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 Greetings. I am new to this forum. Lots of good stuff, especially exposing all the fakes out there. I had no idea the fakes were so good, and applaud your efforts. Your medal caught my eye, and scared me at first, because i have this one, but comparing the two, i think i can relax. Thanks! I'm sorry , but coin on the picture looks like not original Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxseries Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 squirrel, I don't think it's original or a copy of a medal either. It's just a counterfeit. Hopefully you didn't pay a lot because such coins nowadays being a fair amount if they are original. BKB, I'm curious. Can you explain how you managed to know the mintage figures as well as where and when it was minted? Or you happened to buy it back it was first released and got the certificate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 what indicates that it is not original? It was purchased from a very well known New York dealer, at a coin show, 10 years ago... If i can figure out how to post a highr resolution file, i will , but seems limited. If this is a counterfeit, i would like to confront the dealer, and make his name known! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottishmoney Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 Like that medal, rather nice. I would have bought one during one of my many visites to the Monnaie de Paris boutique if I had noticed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RW Julian Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 squirrel, I don't think it's original or a copy of a medal either. It's just a counterfeit. Hopefully you didn't pay a lot because such coins nowadays being a fair amount if they are original. BKB, I'm curious. Can you explain how you managed to know the mintage figures as well as where and when it was minted? Or you happened to buy it back it was first released and got the certificate? Perhaps a counterfeit but more likely what the poster says it is, a reproduction made for public sale. At the bottom of the reverse one can clearly read that this piece is No. 123 out of 500 [made]. No doubt some of these pieces have had the small reverse lettering carefully removed and then sold as originals or novodels. RWJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 RW: Do you agree with the others that my 1720 is not original? seems very similar to New York Sale XII #1099. I only have Uzd for a reference, and a 1720 with no "OK" is listed. I also have a 1721 poltina purchased at the same time, which i will scan and post... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 First off. sorry to hijack this thread.. should i start another? here is the edge of my 1720, which is now suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 These are some of my other Peter (1 &2) from my collection. The poltina and grivennik are from same dealer as my 1720 ruble. The grivennik was claimed to be a novodel. thanks.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RW Julian Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 First off. sorry to hijack this thread.. should i start another?here is the edge of my 1720, which is now suspect. I have no opinion on your piece. I was merely mentioning the numbers at the bottom of the specimen posted by BKB. RWJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKB Posted November 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 BKB, I'm curious. Can you explain how you managed to know the mintage figures as well as where and when it was minted? Or you happened to buy it back it was first released and got the certificate? The mintage figures for this particilar coin is indicated on the coin itself. There is engraving on the very edge that goes like this: "fish" stamp , then "cuivre" then 1974 then N 123/500 This gives us Paris mint, 1974, and 500 total mintage. The rest of the info I got from the dealer who sold it to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCO Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 squirrel, your Ruble is very different from NY sales coin (lot 1099). Do you have better pictures of your coin plus better pictures of its edge? I suggest you start another thread and post high resolution pictures of all your coins in question. WCO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 will do.. how can i post larger thank 100k files, which are my limit. I am new to this forum. thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKB Posted November 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 Perhaps a counterfeit but more likely what the poster says it is, a reproduction made for public sale. At the bottom of the reverse one can clearly read that this piece is No. 123 out of 500 [made]. No doubt some of these pieces have had the small reverse lettering carefully removed and then sold as originals or novodels. RWJ I am sorry for not providing all the information. The diameter is 68 mm and the material is copper. This makes it hard to pass for a real poltina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RARENUM Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 what indicates that it is not original? It was purchased from a very well known New York dealer, at a coin show, 10 years ago... If i can figure out how to post a highr resolution file, i will , but seems limited. If this is a counterfeit, i would like to confront the dealer, and make his name known! Dear squirrel, I can recommend send rouble to NGC for authencity of the coin before you contact the dealer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RARENUM Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 These are some of my other Peter (1 &2) from my collection.The poltina and grivennik are from same dealer as my 1720 ruble. The grivennik was claimed to be a novodel. thanks.. Ruble ,Poltina and novodel Grivennik looks fine to me on the picture,as authencity coins .Kopeck image is too small . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 Here is a larger scan of my silver kopek, shown next to my dislexik polushka for size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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