Ætheling Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 Ian's - British `Gothic' crown 1847 Jeff's - 1810 capped bust half Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ætheling Posted July 15, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 A frowning butch matron or a pretty young woman, which you gonna chose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Oli Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 The Gothic, of course! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ageka Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 Gothic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 Another great pair! It looks like the final is going to come down to two fine ladies. Great contest. I'm always unsure about some of the great coins that seem to get discarded way too early, but great coins do emerge in the final rounds. Any one of the four easily deserves to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banivechi Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 Gothic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stujoe Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Bust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knowtracks Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 I've always been a sucker for the Bust design, the reverse as much as the obverse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izzy452 Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Gothic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtryka Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 I'm honestly surprised my lowly VF bust half got even this far! That obverse on the gothis florin is very pleasant, though I don't much care for the reverse. In either case I am biased on this one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiffibunny Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 You know, I think we should have a rule that a prior winner shouldn't be allowed in again. Seems a bit silly to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ætheling Posted July 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 You know, I think we should have a rule that a prior winner shouldn't be allowed in again. Seems a bit silly to me. Which one's the prior winner? I've often thought that such a rule would be a good thing to implement. But as you can see the problem is i can't actually remember any of the winners, except for PCI1 of course... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiffibunny Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 I'm pretty sure a gothic has won before. Too bad we didn't keep track of all the winners for a Hall of Fame area or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 If i had known that the gothic crown had previously won this competition I would not have entered it. Consider it withdrawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ætheling Posted July 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 If i had known that the gothic crown had previously won this competition I would not have entered it. Consider it withdrawn. No it most certainly has not won previously, the previous winner was a gothic florin, which won PCI1 and i only remember that because it was mine! I've never seen a gothic crown in this competition, i thought you were alluding to the bust coin having won before! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ætheling Posted July 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 And i won't drop it either (even if it had won before previously, which it hasn't). I wouldn't bring new rules in half way through, this is something that would only apply from PCI7 onwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 i thought you were alluding to the bust coin having won before! I don't see where I have given anyone that impression (?) I'm confused now. If the gothic crown hasn't been entered before, then what's up (?). The coin entered is clearly a crown..... NOT a florin. Even though the image gives no concept of `scale' you can very readily tell the difference by reference to the reverse legends. A gothic florin specifically says on the reverse ` One Florin- One tenth of a Pound'......the gothic crown says something else entirely. It's as eezy-peezy as that. While in a way I can see that it doesn't make sense to allow a coin type that has previously won PCI to be re-entered in the future, suggesting one `gothic' type be barred from entry because its baby sister had previously won is as daft as barring Barber quarters from entering because a Barber Half dollar had previously won.....or barring a Bust Dollar because a bust half had previously won....etcetera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiffibunny Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 Sheesh, don't get your knickers in a twist. It was my mistake. I confused the two because they are very similar. I wasn't actually around for the first competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ætheling Posted July 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 I don't see where I have given anyone that impression (?) I'm confused now. If the gothic crown hasn't been entered before, then what's up (?). The coin entered is clearly a crown..... NOT a florin. Even though the image gives no concept of `scale' you can very readily tell the difference by reference to the reverse legends. A gothic florin specifically says on the reverse ` One Florin- One tenth of a Pound'......the gothic crown says something else entirely. It's as eezy-peezy as that. While in a way I can see that it doesn't make sense to allow a coin type that has previously won PCI to be re-entered in the future, suggesting one `gothic' type be barred from entry because its baby sister had previously won is as daft as barring Barber quarters from entering because a Barber Half dollar had previously won.....or barring a Bust Dollar because a bust half had previously won....etcetera. Ian you have completely misunderstood this. Firstly i never stated that i thought the coin had won before, that was Tiffany not me. I've certainly never seen that coin before, but i was not present for PCI4 and i think i slept through PCI5. Secondly what i meant about a previous winner not being allowed in again, i was not referring to the coin design, what i mean was, well a demonstration perhaps; Lets say your crown went on to win this competition then it wouldn't be allowed to be re-entered into PCI7, only the ACTUAL winning coin (i.e only that one) is barred from re-entry, you could however, enter another a Gothic Crown if you wanted to, you could go on entering gothic crowns for the next 12 PCIs if you wanted but they'd all have to be different ones. Now if you coin doesn't win the grand final of this PCI, then you could re-enter it into PCI7, etc. until it does win. Thirdly i do know the difference between a gothic crown and a gothic florin, if i didn't then i'd be worried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ætheling Posted July 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 I don't see where I have given anyone that impression (?) No that was me misunderstanding Tiffany's comment, i know for a fact i have never seen a Gothic Crown in this competition (ignoring PCI4 which i missed so i had to check that). But i do believe we had a bust winner once? So i was thinking oh has this bust won a previous PCI already? Which is where i went off track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 I confused the two because they are very similar. I wasn't actually around for the first competition. Hopefully my previous post has alleviated any confusion by providing a simple `at a glance' methodology for differentiating between the two. I've no prior with any PCI competition excepting voting in the very last round of the last one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 Ian you have completely misunderstood this. Maybe. Maybe some peop's are just `all gothiced out' (myself included) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtryka Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 This one may be a record for the first round to get more posts than votes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ætheling Posted July 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Maybe. Maybe some peop's are just `all gothiced out' (myself included) Oh i'd never get bored of Gothics. And Jeff you may be right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 And Jeff you may be right! It seems to me that PCI should generate some debate. Afterall, it is a subjective vote on what one likes and doesn't like. Ian and I exchanged opinions on our view of ancients and that was fun. Here, I went with his Gothic although I do like all four of the finalists. Its really just a gut vote when it comes down to it. The Gothic is complex, well balanced, interesting piece. The other three are more simple in design (that's a positive attribute in my mind), representative of their period and style, and each share other positive attributes (color, interesting die cracks, great toning, etc) that contribute to their "aesthetic." The reasons why this round generated more posts that votes is not as important as the fact that it did generate a good discussion. To my mind, that means we've got some good coins to talk about, regardless of which one wins. Hooray for passion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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