bobh

It is a fantasy coin. If nothing else, the fact that the legend on the obverse is in Latin letters and the denomination on the reverse in Cyrillic letters should raise a big red flag.

The obverse is an imitation of one of the silver Livonian coins (for example, Bitkin 635, 48 Kopeek for Livonia) and the reverse is an imitation of Bitkin 589 (5 kopeek pattern coin).

Hope you didn't pay too much for it.

Congratulations!

Thanks for the link, Igor!

Not too many coins of Nicholas II, but great quality there is. A good thing that I don't collect the proofs, or I'd be in big trouble here!

Welcome back, gxseries ... Congratulations on your new job!

I agree with RARENUM on this one ... probably fake. Such high grade in this series just does not exist. Besides, there are funny irregularities.

I do have a silver Russian coin of Peter II from 1900. Can someone tell me what value it has

Well, if it really is dated 1900, and really Peter II, then I would have to say it has no value whatsoever. Because it would be a fantasy coin.

Do you know when Peter II lived? Or did you mean Nicholas II?

I would stay away from a seller with such long fingers. What if they fly out of this universe? There will be no refund...

That's funny ... in German, a colloquial term for thief (or pickpocket) is "Langfinger"!

Bought several years ago on eBay for 40 €:

It would probably grade MS-64 except for a little scratch in the hair ... wonder what people are paying for this now?

 

 

 

Hi, bobh, why do you think there is no much Russian coin market in Russia for avarege collector? What do you mean by this? Is it that it is difficult to buy coins due to high prices or the opposite when prices for coins are falling due to lack of interest? I personally see a trend of price falling for coins in average condition and prices for coins in MS condition are at about same price level.

I really don't know anything about the market within Russia. All I can see is what is sold in auctions outside of Russia. The best coins are going one-way back to Russia. What is left for collectors like myself is either not very desirable, too expensive, or it is something I already have. If I wanted to start a Russian collection today, it would be nearly impossible.

But there were some good threads very recently (NY Sale, denga research...)

I have also noticed that there are less frequent threads, but usually they are very interesting to read. Must have something to do with the market today in Russian coins, which IMHO is pretty much "kaputt" these days for the average collector -- as opposed to speculants.

Sad, but true.

 

I would like to extend that request to other forum members, and that includes BKB and IgorS.

I cannot take pictures of the coin I won until I travel to the USA again, pick it up, and take it back home to Switzerland. But the catalog picture of lot 475 is very nice!

I bid on lots 474, 475 and 476. I won lot 475 (gold 5 roubles 1910).

Although I was quite happy to win just one coin which was ex-Julian, I really wanted to have lot 474 (the 1906 silver 50 kopecks).

474 - $5250

475 - $2800

476 - $5300

All I can say is said much better here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBHZFYpQ6nc

474 - $5250

475 - $2800

476 - $5300

Thank you!

I'm interested in lots 474, 475 and 476 -- anybody know what they brought?

Thanks!

Is this something different than an ordinary die clash?

Thanks, alexbq2, for this information! I'm sure it will be very useful to people who collect wire money.

I would buy a catalogue, but unfortunately I don't collect these.

Thanks for the high resolution photos. I think the fields look strange, and people have already remarked about other things.

Question is, why buy a coin like this with so many red flags? Maybe it is genuine, but much nicer examples can be found for not too much money. I wouldn't buy it.

The irregular denticles look more suspicious to me than the lettering.

Aside from that, the coin was harshly scrubbed and borderline VF condition, and 1878 is a common date. Doesn't make much sense to counterfeit an 1878 rouble (to me, at least).

What does the coin weigh?

This is my "side" collection that had no particular direction...

Soviet and modern Russian commemorative coins are also my "side" collection which I have bought simply for the amazing artistic quality of the designs. Ideologically, of course, they have no significance for me except as a kind of historical interest. But what sheer beauty there is in those pieces of silver and gold!

Deleted ... sorry about that! There was a glitch right after my posting the above message, but it seems that all is OK now.

This silver rouble is of the epic historical proportions, hence the mintage numbers. The first truly popularized form of art that portrayed the soviet idea of industrialization and moving into the future. It sort of saying to the peasants "I work at a factory. Industrialization will take us into the future (communism). Come I'll show you where the sun rises, that's where we are going, this is our way"... It has a massive idealistic propaganda attached to it, and I love it! Apart from all the problems of soviet era, they did inspire common people to become more educated and help to engineer the future (which is now in the past), that people could be proud of and in which they could dream... It took the mind of the nation into the space eventually. As much as I hated the regime for the bad stuff, some achievements of soviet era were great, and this rouble is one of the first milestones that was making the new generation of common people feel important and inspired them to dream...

And the "happy farmer" is also a recurrent theme:

"It took the mind of the nation into the space eventually:"

there was a mistake ... the tolerance was 1/10 of gram.... I guess all should be ok ..... ))

I think it was actually 0.05g but in either direction (+/-), so some coins could differ by a total of 0.1g in weight and still be OK. Uzdenikov's reference gives more details. In reality, though, there were probably some (very few) occasions when a coin exceeded this limit. 6.53g seems OK to me. And the coin looks nice ... I don't know why anyone would have to clean a gold coin, though, unless they dug it up somewhere! The pictures are not good enough to tell if this coin has been cleaned or not.

Awesome toning on that ruble, halfdollar!

I attended first day only. I do not think all those high price items make any difference for us, middle layer collectors, or for coin market in general.

Still I was surprised about some prices. I was interested in 1808 EM denga. It had scratches all across the reverse. Still it fetched 17,000.

And I thought I had a chance due to its condition

In any case, I am glad I had a chance to handle those rarities (but had to wear gloves provided during veiwing).

Very strange that we must wear gloves to handle scratched and otherwise damaged coins!