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thank you for showing , also a pic not opening properly somehow

lets back to the business without any counts

same question could be better re-addressed to Bitkin: why he issued his catalog and to whom he dedicated it and included 4 types of crowns of 1810 - I think for us, collectors, researchers, professionals, dealers, etc. it does not matter how many people collect such object, it does matter how many learn material part and utilized that

another one just came up in not so good condition, looks from digging out, from Ivanovo, Russian Federation: http://molotok.ru/item810637813_2_kopejki_...ie_korony.html#

Steve, pls correct me if I am wrong: What you called scarce or about it, I cannot consider it as scarce. Why? Well, in Bitkin (from Ilyin & GM) it was observed earlier that small / large crown varieties are in existance. Even, GM corpus is showing I believe Alex's variant which is a large / small. Bitkin went further and using Ilyin he added some and catalogued them as: 343 ® 344 345 (R1) 346 (R1) He still missed some perspective ones as small/small, large/large and small /large (opposite to 345). Now, I consider large / large crown variant not less than R1 rarity according Bitkin scale. From what point this one (large/large) can be consider by you as a scarce? For example, a researcher Adrianov has not mentioned this fact that this coin a scarce, but opposite, - he has met (being living in Russia, and issued his copper book) only one sample from last few years (decade?) which is posted by him in russian forum. His major benefit is that if anything comes up in Russia (from digging out or other sources), he is one of the first who can be informed. That is why he said that for all his last time of research experience only one coin was met by him. I do assume that others sample of large/large will show up. But it is not a question as of today. I would wait on your respond, Thank you on advance.

searching for this type variant with both sides two large crowns requires some knowledge, first of existance of such variety, which comes from other collectors where data shared; good well push was provided by Adrianov (Perm', Russia) and couple current forum members couple years ago; since that time only these are showed up so far to be continued

this coin disapeared from that website same day you posted it, did you have a sucess in buying it

including your beatiful bee coin, it makes them count "5" as world-wide known so far

not rare type of 2 kopeks 1810 but in rare high condition brought 850 Euro http://www.numismatica.hu/cms/components/c...product/130.jpg

if bdzhilka - that is a big size mama do you know what they call another type which is TETEREV

Wow, yes I saw this picture, if I am not mistaken, the most left in the 4th row from the top is the one discussed in this topic ! and it has two large crowns, which brings total of 4 known, - the rest are just chiken farm besides other rare two pieces Thank you alexbq2

Yes, they are two large crowns both sides, THANK YOU Steve for the images. As a result, three only observed/found/posted/auctioned/known: one is in US and two in Russia. My 2 kopeks I think has better condition of both crowns, in contrast Conros one's has better Arm and wings, but mine had also very clear wings details and excellent surface around the eagle...the one from Staraya moneta is the worst one, but rare anyway! Waiting with inpatience for the next Steve research on Alexander I copper coinage (especially 1810)

Yes, your small/large crowns of chicken type are identical to the crowns of Monety i Medali with the subsequent (I call it latest ) eagle. Have you seen Staraya moneta museum page where Adrianov informs that he saw only ones yours and mine? Now, I was wondering if you ever seen the one with two small crowns; I need that data so I know where to aspire to. Also waiting on Steve stats where did he see mine two large crowns as a second piece in Russia. Thank you everyone !

you are the one who was catching me on 1810 chicken type with different crowns last couple years, so recently Miss fortune desided to give it to me one day your time comes too for 2 large crowns and now see my other large/standard variant http://www.omnicoin.com/coin_view.aspx?id=974793

pls explain"new" - does it come from Adrianov catalog, thanks

Thank you for youR valuable stats. I saw one on FORUM Staraya moneta in museum display section, would you tell where was the other sample observed, thank you on advance

Thank you. Yours is Small/Large crown variant

http://www.omnicoin.com/coin_view_enlarge.aspx?id=974776

Welcome to coinpeople, "platinrubel" ! Every issue of book related to russian numismatic was, is and will be WELCOME always as to my opinion ! Of course, english and russian text would be better for myself, but I take German as a challenge ! Thank you for posting this info ! Please inform us when a book comes out !

All books in this list - text in russian. Any book MUST be pre-paid before a delivery which is 3-4 weeks including priority shipping in US. International shipping pls quote. Combine shipping is welcome. Return policy is a 5 business days after receiving a book for full refund minus postage (priority mail). Thank you! V V Uzdenikov - Russian coins XVIII-XX c, Essays on numismatics. 3rd edition, Moscow 2004. $49.95 Works of State numismatic museum XVII. Moscow. 2005. $27.00 Works of State numismatic museum XVIII. Moscow. 2008. $32.00 Works of State Hermitage. Materials and research of numismatic department. 2005. St.Peterburg. $32.00 Works of State Hermitage. 85th anniversary of Potin, Chief numismatic department. 2005. St.Peterburg. $23.00 Works of State Hermitage. XXXI. Materials and research of numismatic department. 2006. St.Peterburg. $32.00 The XVth All-Russian numismatic conference volume. Moscow, 2009. $32.00 E S Shukina. Series of medals of F G Muller on event of North War in Hermitage. St.Peterburg. 2006. $39.95. B S Yusupov. Coins of Russian Empire. 2 volumes. 1699-1725, 2003. 1725-1801, 2004, Kazan. $210.00 T D Panova. Hoards of Kremlin. 2004. Moscow. $23.00 M B Gornung. Pages of Memories one of the oldest Moscow numismatist. 2008. Moscow. $32.00 E N Sheveleva. Brest Badges of Russian (Imperial) Army. 1993. St.Peterburg. $32.00 T I Slepova. Collection of Mantua coins in Hernitage. 1995. Electa, Italy. $85.00 The International numismatic conference I and II. Coinage in Mongol States XII-XV cc. Moscow, 2005. $45.00 The International numismatic conference III. Coinage in Mongol States XII-XV cc. Moscow, 2005. $45.00 A V Oreshnikov. Russian coins before 1547. Moscow. 2006. $43.00 A S Shkurko, A Yu Salukov. Commemorative medals of soviet period 1919-1991. Moscow. 2005. $80.00 The Grand Russian Victories in medals and engravings. Catalog of Pushkin museum (523 medals). Moscow. 2009. $80.00 Thank you!

on very popular book sites Igors book is 75.00 and your is up to 2500 (less expensive available too)

pic of russian plate(s) please

you are welcome anytime; as I more trust facts not gossips, my opinion sometime differs from others