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It was struck in 1820 the time of what is known as "The Trial of Queen Caroline" As soon as George IV became king in 1820, Caroline immediately returned to England to claim her place as Queen of England. Outraged, and seeking a divorce, George pressured Parliament to prepare a bill to strip Caroline of her title and end the marriage by Act of Parliament. A divorce through the ecclesiastical courts was difficult for the King given his own embarrassingly scandalous love life, and the bill in Parliament was considered the most expedient mode of attaining a divorce. The passage of the bill through Parliament became a spectacular cause celebre. This example has obviously had a pampered life.

No other reference that I know of. Perhaps someone will read this post and be able to supply some info. I spotted the spelling mistake on the rear & could not find any reference on-line, so I brought it and it was not till I looked at it later did I realize the George/William error, so that was a very pleasant surprise

After reviewing the original post, This appears to be #523, not #525, and Feuardent seems to have made a mistake, re the signature, giving it as same(L.G.L.). gravee#191, var As you can see it is a head and is signed C L. For #525 he states head and gives gravee#190 which is a armoured bust and signed L. G. L. not C. L.! Perhaps the descriptions are right but the images 191 & 190 have been switched positions by mistake? For #525 he states head and gives gravee#190 var. which is a armoured bust and signed L. G. L. not C. L.! HELP

It purports to be a medieval equestrian seal or sigillvm, see some examples here https://www.google.com/search?q=medieval+seal&espv=2&biw=1517&bih=714&tbm=isch&imgil=F__oWuqxpC-wOM%253A%253BNrjucZ8WRDgC5M%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Faclerkofoxford.blogspot.com%25252F2011%25252F08%25252Fmedieval-seal-inscriptions.html&source=iu&pf=m&fir=F__oWuqxpC-wOM%253A%252CNrjucZ8WRDgC5M%252C_&usg=__v1Kd8kwTEKcskwp-Lex3wovU9qk%3D&dpr=0.9&ved=0CCgQyjdqFQoTCPz3qZrzjcYCFRIQkgodVA4Mew&ei=_MZ8VfyJH5KgyATUnLDYBw#tbm=isch&q=equestrian+seal+sigillvm they were used to sign & seal a document or letter by pressing them into wax. Hence the ring or seal image was reversed so as the wax imprint was the correct orientation. I am no expert on these, hence the reluctance to post a reply, but I suspect it is just a copy, I can make out PHILI by the forelegs. Hope I am wrong EDIT. You might find this site of interest http://www.colchestertreasurehunting.co.uk/s/seals.htm

This is a most unusual find, it is not listed in BHM or Battys , thought Batty; 5053J O.—Two Busts to right, "William and Adelaide." R.—A Crown between Roses, Thistles, and Shamrocks, "Union is the Bond of Peace." Brass. well apart from, "UNION HIS THE BOND OF PEACE" mistake on the reverse and WR/IV under the crown, the obverse with the inscription "WILLIAM IV KING OF GREAT BRITAIN" encircles an engraved image of George IV, not William. It is 26mm white metal and might just be unique, perhaps the engraver had a liquid lunch.

H.M.G.M. QUEEN CAROLINE GOD /PROTECTS / THE / QUEEN BHM# 1029 by ? T. Kettle AE RRR. Br. RRR. 26mm.

Just a very nice example! OBV. LOVIS . LE . GRAND . ROY . DE . FRANCE REV. DAT . FRVCTVS . DAT . QVE . CORONAS EXE. ORD . DES . GVERRES . PAPAREL . TRES . Feuardent 916 Bust, no signature, gravee # 189

The following(from contemporary sources) lead me to believe that Mudie bronzed the copper medals, hence once the bronze patina is lost they in effect revert to being copper medals. "BRONZE FOR COPPER MEDALS. To the person who shall discover to the Society(Society Instituted at London for the Encouragement of Arts, Manufactures, and Commerce) a method of bronzing Copper medals, equal to that practised in France; the Gold Medal. To be produced to the Society on or before the second Tuesday in December, 1784" "508 Mudie's Series of Forty Medals on Copper bronzed, commemorative of British Victories. In a red morocco case" "During Napoleonic times the 'bronze' medals were made of copper; an artificial chocolate patina was added to them" Brown in BHM uses AE for both copper & bronze, so no help there. The medal below shows the bronze finish remaining between the inscription & the raised rim(where it is protected) but the rest appears copper IMHO Another example. Another here http://www.forumancientcoins.com/Gallery/displayimage.php?album=1492&pos=2

Great addition to your collection Ian

Hi, you will find there is always someone happy to help here.....if we can

It is a silver Mexican(Spanish) 1821 reales, the denomination, 4 or 8, is indicated by size & weight. Check this link http://www.coinfactswiki.com/wiki/Mexico_1821-Mo_JJ_4_reales

(crown) GETTES : ENTEDES : AV : COMITE (crown) GVARDES : VOVS : DE : MESCOIIIPTE http://www.cgbfr.de/rouyer-viii-jetons-classes-par-types-jeton-de-compte-aux-quatre-lys-dans-un-losange,fjt_090006,a.html Pat

That is a beauty too good to be in "cheap but fun". This is a variant obverse of mine, have not seen another one perhaps because of what appears to be signs of a die crack right across it.

My guess is a fantasy piece. Though it is signed under the bust it is impossible to read it, that might have helpful. Obviously the auction house has no reference or info on what it is but they could have, at least, shown the signature.

Is it this bronze medal? The seller did not show size but I believe it is approx 28mm. http://www.ebay.com/itm/ANDREW-JOHNSON-FRANKLIN-MINT-PRESIDENTIAL-HALL-OF-FAME-COMMEMORATIVE-MEDAL-/281610312172 and produced for Shell in 1973. If it is aluminum it is from the 1968 set, there is even a 1992 set in a brassy looking metal. This link gives a lot of info http://www.coins-n-medals.com/Exhibits/ShellGames/ShellPresidentsGame.html

He struck over 200 examples of some pieces from a single die or at least from dies that look exactly the same. So I believe he just had variants made to strike a very small number of pieces as collector's items, at a high price of course. Bear in mind the original purpose of these was for game counters, which originally mimicked guineas up to circa 1800 but later changed to commemorate current events & people, and would mostly still have been purchased for gaming. That is why I think these extremely rare pieces are usually found in such great condition, whereas the more common pieces often show signs of wear.

I have modified it, thanks for the very diplomatic critique, most appreciated.

This link http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/54207251/ shows the medal & a write up but you have to sign up to be able to read it(7 day free trial) Google search shows this much text from it, Sep 10, 1970 - Twice in less than a year, the Lombardo Mint has produced an outstanding commemorative work. Its Eisenhower medal was a classic example of fine art, but the peace medal may just be its best effort. ...the late John F. Kennedy, at the extreme top; Pope John XXIII, to the right, and Martin Luther King, at roughly five o'clock.

The world's war suffering masses, Martin Luther King Jr, John F Kennedy & Pope John XXIII. Pacem in terris (Peace on Earth) was a papal encyclical issued by Pope John XXIII on 11 April 1963. It was the last encyclical drafted by John XXIII, who had been diagnosed with cancer in September 1962 and died two months after the encyclical's completion. The large central symbol is for Peace, originaly for used for CND, the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament & the small 平 is Chinese for peace. .

The above question was in reference to the "Inseparable Friends" http://www.coinpeople.com/index.php/topic/34267-can-you-separate-the-inseparable-friends-of-1814/?hl=kettle and I might have an answer, or at least a theory, thanks TDP. Here is the medal from that topic. This next new acquisition picture below ticks so many boxes for me. It is, by Thomas Kettle, in great condition, a very rare variant, estimated by Fauver as only 5-10 known, only listed in AE, this is silvered, and the reverse shows signs of an unfinished die, see enlarged pic note the reverse of the 'Inseperable Friends' showing that the US in RUSSIA & the NC in PRINCE are futher engraved, whereas the NG in WELLINGTON is not, the central Q etc also had to be improved! This piece, combined with 2 other silvered Kettle pieces which are in themselves extremely rare variants and also in great condition, leads me to theorize that Kettle was producing some die variants, which perhaps he only struck in very small numbers & silvered to offer at a premium the most likely answer to TDP's great question. This is the other medal, unsigned variant which Fauver lists as only 5-10 known in AE unlisted in silvered, with lathe lines on reverse. Comparison between 2 obverses, my silvered variant & the more common variety, showing how different they are.

You can access Forrer here, just scroll down to find http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,28876.0.html & here just scroll down to locate as well , this set is sometimes restricted sometimes not http://www.digitalbookindex.org/_search/refsearchbiodict.asp today it seems half are open, the rest restricted. Forrer is a good resource but not always 100% reliable, which is to be expected. To anyone who is trying to identify an engraver it is indispensible.

Leonard Forrer, "Biographical Dictionary of Medallists, coin, gem, & seal-engravers, mint-masters-ancient & modern in 8 vol." I had no doubt you were right re 101, I just thought the engraver & date struck were of interest, Forrer would have just repeated what he had read.

Congratulations , I assume you know the engraver was Middelthun. Forrer writes the 100 medals were struck in 1821 at the Kongsberg mint.

One of my earliest posts on CoinPeople in 2008 was re Ceres head by Oudine http://www.coinpeople.com/index.php/topic/20552-the-head-of-ceres-by-oudine/?hl=oudine and the opium poppies in her hair, how time flies!