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  1. alexbq2 has it right. Due to the terrible state of the obverse not much more can be said besides that the coin is a kopeck and struck in Moscow.. However, the reverse may be identified as nr 12 in the Grishin - Klezhinov tablets, which leaves us to choose between numbers 340, 369, 380, 395, 404, 432 and 437 for the entire coin. Most of these are common ones, a few rather uncommon. Further than this I cannot go with this specimen. Studying wire money does not pay off. I feel that the real challenge are the coins in the worst condition, Sometimes they require hours - or weeks - of searching and after all the effort a coin is most likely to turn out to be a defected, badly struck and/or harmed specimens of a common type. Even finding a specimen of an uncommon type does not involve much better prospects in economic terms, as a coin in bad state of preservation and (therefore) with vague identification does not interest the market. However, this makes the field of wire money ideal for the true numismatist. The quiet world of wire money has stayed relatively free from investors.
  2. I agree. Nobody seems to think that there is anything unusual if banknotes (even from the 19th century) come in successive numerical order, so why should it be unthinkable with coins? There are known hoards with this fenomenon e.g. sunken ships, where coins from the year of the disaster are found in hundreds and in perfect condition, like directly from the bank.
  3. Looked again and found the sellers opinion, who thinks the material is not silver.
  4. I have no idea. These are pictures from an internet seller that rightly calls the item for "souvenir". This could have been manufactured by using a younger rouble coin as a "host" coin, but then the whole thing would be smaller compared to the real roubles of the period. But I have no intention to buy this super novodel only to find out answers to these questions.
  5. Here`s a coin with a completely wrong edge inscription.
  6. I have seen this kind of forgeries before. Unfortunately I did not mark down what dates and mints they were, but they were all 5 kopeck coins of Ekaterina II, no better dates involved. Experienced people were astonished by the good overall quality of these forgeries, and if it had not been for the clearly visible edge seam, they possibly had passed as genuine. They came all in one lot and were after examination returned to the seller. Interesting to know, that galvano produces this "side-effect".
  7. Charles II of Sweden, who was he? Perhaps you had Charles XII in mind? But no swedish ruler by the name of Charles (there were many) is in question here. The known overstrikes are from 1757 and 1758, 1 and 2 kopecks (but no dengas involved). The only instance I have met a notion saying which swedish coin serves as host coin was the Gorny & Mosch auction 183 october 2009 where the large collection of Tom Willy Bakken was sold. The kopecks 1757 (nr 7127) and 1758 (nr 7129) are both said to be overstruck on a swedish öre SM 1747. This creates a problem, though. The weight and diameter do not match. The swedish öre SM coins which were struck from 1730 onwards weigh 14,2 grams with a diameter of 30 mm whereas the elizabethan copper kopeck (roughly) 10,3 - 10,8 grams with a smaller diameter of only 25 - 26 mm. Usually, when a coin is overstruck the diameter will be enlargened, but not here. So, in order to overstruck a heavier and larger coin into lesser weight and diameter cutting must have occured. The ratio between 2 öre SM (34 mm, 28,3 grams) and 2 kopecks (32 mm, 20,5 grams) is closer in diameter but still not close enough to make it an ideal host coin. I do not have any real examples of this in mind. Brekke mentions this coin as nr 93 in "The Copper Coinage of Imperial Russia" but no coin is photographed, nor is this coin represented in the James F. Elmen mail bid sale 13 May 1993, "the Bernhard F. Brekke collection". All copper coins of Charles XII would have been too small (and perhaps obsolete) for this purpose in the 1750s, 1/6 öre SM 1715-1718 weighed only 3,3 grams. A slightly heavier coin "the necessity daler" was struck in different weighs but the most of them weighed 4,5 grams and therefore had suited to be a host coin only for the elizabethan polushka. Another matter, Sweden exported a lot of raw copper in the 17th and 18th centuries, also in the form of plate money. Who knows the raw material of your denga is of swedish origin after all? But I would not say that bright or dark red is in any way typical for swedish coins of this era, this colour occur about as frequently as red patinated coins appear among old copper coins in general. And finally, the swedish king whose copper coins we are dealing with, his name is Fredrik I.
  8. This is something extraordinary, as I have never before come across 1800 EM копейка with an altered date. I have not found this in literature either. The 2 копейки 1800 EM and полушка 1800 EM both have this variety, the latter predominantly, so this was to be expected.
  9. Better photograph of the obverse would help. However, this is certainly a kopeck of Peter the Great as one-kuna says. It is from the Kadashevskii monetnyi dvor, but the exact year depends on what is written below the horse. Often it is possible to determine the year of issue from the type of horse, but this photograph does not allow to do so. Most people are curious to know what their coin might be worth of in the market. Even if the year of issue is clearly visible a coin like this will sell rather modestly. If it is only possible to trace a (missing) date by the type of the obverse the coin will not interest the majority of collectors at all. If it turns out the date is visible and interesting, e.g. the last year of issue 1717 - that is another matter, but the chances are low.
  10. Very nice. So many of the copper of this whole era comes weakly struck with different metal flaws. Then a long circulation made a lot of them look very worn, and many became corroded. Only from the first years of 1770s and onwards it becomes easier to find nice specimens. Much easier, in fact. Your coin is almost not worn, only very moderately circulated, well struck and has a nice and light colour, too.
  11. "PeterShell" has it right. I may only add that in their book Klezhinov - Grishin have numbered this coin 105, and Melnikova 1-1. Below the horse the letters HC are not visible due to the flatness of the strike, but because on the whole it is possible to read and identify your specimen without doubt this makes it one of the better specimens. A lot of wire money can be identified only by secondary details that suggest what coin there is in question.
  12. While discussing the recent Künker sale the Polushka 1800/799 was considered an overdate every time the coin turns up. Here´s the only other counterpart that I know of where 3 digits have been altered. This to my knowledge is a rare variety.
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