Ian

...and here's a 5 kopek `novodel' (weighs in ar 21.6 grams). Plain edge

OK here's the 2 kopek `novodel'

Hi. Thanks for that. I won't be able to post pics until tomorrow at the earliest. The only date i was aware of for a Siberian 2 kopek novodel is 1764., but this one looks very real, and my knowledge of Russian coins (like my ability to speak Russian) is at best `sketchy' Will post pics of this one, a 5 kopek circulation coin, a 5 kopek novodel, a 10 kopec circulation coin and (possibly) a 10 kopek novodel in the next couple of days. I will also dig out some very high grade 5 kopek coins from Aninsk mint that I have in my collection and post here. cheers Ian

When the obverse and reverse are `upside down' to each other it is referred to as `coin rotation'. Most coins in the world (I believe) are usually `coin rotation'. When the obverse and the reverse are the same way round then it is usually referred to as being `medal rotation'. I can't remember if my example of this piece is coin or medal rotation. I'd have to dig it out to advise, but i suspect it would be `coin rotation' and as such there would be nothing unusual about your one. Indeed unless the obverse and the reverse were at very unusual rotations to each other there would be little significant difference in value to a collector. Hope that helps.

Hi, Just purchased a few siberian copper coins some of which have just arrived, but more to follow. Will post images when they are all in my possession. One of them is a 2 kopek coin dated 1767 in relatively high grade..so good that i'm a wee bit suspicious.I have no knowledge of `novodels' and there doesn't appear to be any for this date. However I'm pretty sure its from the right period concerned....but then again, who knows? I don't think circulation coins had edge lettering....The edge on this one is however lettered (large) and there's some cross `+' shapes between the words. If I have got the translation from cyrillic right it says : E Medv E kolyvanskaya. (Kolyvansk mint?) There is evidence of die cracks on both obv and rev of coin. it probably translates to `hey mug...this is a copy made in China' but this old fool still lives in hope that there is indeed a numismatic god who occasionally looks favourably on me....... can anyone in this forum advise? BTW its weighing in at 13.15 grams

Hi, The legends actually read (obv): LUDOVICUS XIII FRANCORUM ET NAVARAE REX (Louis XIII King of France and Navarre) (rev): TE STANTE LILIA FLORENT (literally `when you take a stand, lillies bloom') The jeton was issued for the french Chancellory under the reign of Louis XIII. Reverse has Justice standing holding a sword in one hand and a chest in the other. reference: Feuardent 12120 value? condition is not so good i'm afraid so i'd say anything from $5 -$15 ...maybe more on a good day on ebay.

they used to appear fairly frequently on ebay.fr, some of them in very high grade......but not so frequently now in present time.

The reverse legend on this one translates as `the night brings games and pleasures'

another banking jeton struck in 1791 for the inauguration of the `Caisse Patriotique'. An enterprise heavily involved with the financial disaster that was the assignat `paper money' system in revolutionary France. Obverse shows Mercury and Liberty together, a galley in the left field and a cornucopia in the right field, along with various items of commerce.

I'm a long time sufferer of `magpie-itis'....so i still have my ones...in hiding..... somewhere. Ian

I've no idea who the engraver was or who actually struck this medalet, but this was top of the list with a simple google search. The `Horae Scholasticae' was the name of the school magazine and it looks like the obverse is someone using a screw press (for printing purposes?) and that the medalet was possibly struck to commemorate the first publication of the magazine (?) https://www.sps.edu/about-sps/sps-history

not sure if there are any download links.....(?) you might want to try sniffing for possibilities on Amazon. I haven't looked for a good while but i do recall them carrying cheap(ish) alternatives. (ie scanned copies) for Feuardent's tombes. what is available on-line is still better than a poke in the eye with a burnt stick ;).

Finally managed to get hold of an example of the jeton issued by the `Caisse Centrale de Commerce et des Chemins de Fer'. It's a jeton relevant to `banking' , `trains', `boats', and `general commerce'. The scarcity falls into the category of `scarcer than hen's teeth' and only rarely surfaces on the market...and usually requires significant financial outlay. Fortunately for me I saw this one apparently before the rest of the world was awake ......and got it at a relative bargain. Unfortunately most `bargains' come with some form of baggage and this one is no exception. if you look at the obverse, running from mid lift to top right you will notice that the colouration is lighter than the rest of the jeton. This is due to some cretan having tried to `smooth' out a flaw in the planchet. The `flaw' is an indentation that looks as if a piece of the jeton has flaked off. It is most likely due to a dirty die where a piece of debris has been struck into the planchet and then fallen off, leaving the indentation. It might also have been caused by a bad metal mix when the planchet was first made, but unlikely. Ah well.....c'est la vie as the saying goes.

this one issued by the Union cie. d' Assurances in 1828

this is the one and only encapsulated cent I have. it's a wee bit potty IMHO.........

to get an idea of `value', you'll need to post a pic or two so that the over-all condition can be gauged.

I've just upgraded the example I have of this particular jeton, which was struck sometime in the 1670's for the Paris Chambre des Assurances (maritime assurance syndicate). I'm not sure how to grade this one (?) I've never seen a better example than this one and i'm not sure whether that is because the original strikings were poorly /flatly struck in the first place or that the surviving examples are just significantly worn. I'm sticking with `fine' for now but other opinions would be welcome. Reverse has a ship sinking in the distance and in the foreground a survivor is holding on to what looks like a raft.

.........the sense (or lack of!) to be drawn from this piece is likely to be dependent upon how much alcohol is in your body at any given point in time

yet another `heur et malheur' piece. This one has cupid blindfolded (love is blind') along with the legend `qui que tu sois, voici ton maitre. Il l'est le fut ou le doit etre'....roughly translated it means `whoever you are, here is your master. he is now and always will be

Its a bit like icebergs. The bit you can see above the water line is only the tip.......... which in turn belittles the enormity of bit that awaits your discovery ;)

have a look at the following link. It provides a reference: https://www.ma-shops.co.uk/sesambestcoins/item.php?id=6712

Feuardent has no pictures of the individual jetons but provides an extensive record of the jetons produced for the various royal administrations /personages /functions. Although extensive, there are omissions . Volume 4 has images of the various bust types that were used, but these are the only images. I think google has this work archived and available (?). Mitchiner is better for images, but again is very far from being a fully comprehensive work. Both are quite indispensable references for any serious study of the general subject. Somewhere in this section of coinpeop's a mention is made of Gadoury.......another dealer's catalogue. Check this link out https://www.gadoury.com/fr/livres/jetons-1986 There are two catalogues available (possibly more now). Both are great for giving a taster and starting point of the subject matter.....but nothing more. If you keep your eyes peeled, they do come up every now and again on ebay. Best thing for you (IMHO) would be to make use of CGB's website and archives. I'd start by gaining an understanding of what a `jeton de presence' is, how they came about.....and how rare some of these actually are. Some really rare pieces that end up going for a song because most people don't know what they are. Some people however can pay more than they ought to because they don't know what they are buying and how common the item is. This is a subject where knowledge is king! happy hunting!....PS: ...why not share a pic of your acquisition with the peop's here?

Hi. Firstly, welcome aboard! My main interest is French jetons, so i'll stick with that in terms of reference materials . My key advice to any collector is that they should buy (and study) the book before buying anything else. You might want to have a look at cgb.fr website as a good starting point. They have records of jetons that have passed through their hands, as well as their current stock.They have produced auction /sales catalogues over the years (over 20), the first five of which are very hard to find in hard copy format, but they are available electronically. these will give a good `flavour' of both scope and values. Standard references are: 1. Feuardent's `jetons et mereaux depuis Louis IX a la fin du consulat de Bonaparte' (four vols) 2. Mitchiner's `Jetons, Medalets & Tokens Vol 2: The Low Countries and France' There is extensive literature for more specialised interests.... but too much information too quickly can be more of a disadvantage than an advantage Plenty of scope for the modest collector in this field. Ian

another `heur et malheur'. This time with `abundance' dancing on a sphere while her fortune spills out to the ground.

............it's a huge field of interest as you can see if you look at some of the threads in this section. If there's anything in particular that interests you, then it would be easier for the peop's here to point you to the relevant reference /source materials.