Ætheling Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 You've been given $500, you have two coins in front of you both priced at $500. Someone is standing behind you with a either a rolling pin, a gun, a bunch of daffodils or any other weapon you care to think of and they're going to make you buy one of these coins. So there's no escaping this one. The problem is these two coins are problematic. Lets say they are both EF Bust half dollars, for sake of argument. However; One quite clearly has been cleaned and is bright white. the other is quite clearly artificially toned, whatever colours you want to imagine. You've got to buy one, which one would you go for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mediccoin Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 Since I'm being forced here, I had to go with the cleaned coin on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dockwalliper Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 Cleaned coin. Then let it retone naturally. I'm not into the "colors" thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stujoe Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 Depends upon the cleaning. If we are talking brillo pad or steel wool or some other harsh method of cleaning, then I will take the AT coin. If we are saying that the cleaned coin has just been dipped white and is otherwise undamaged, then I would probably take it over the AT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxseries Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 Nasty question indeed. Chances of artificial toning getting worse can happen, so I might as well choose a cleaned coin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Oli Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 One quite clearly has been cleaned and is bright white. the other is quite clearly artificially toned, whatever colours you want to imagine. You've got to buy one, which one would you go for? I voted cleaned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 50cents Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 I voted cleaned .... most bust halves have been cleaned anyway plus i like the idea of someone giving me $500.00 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 Cleaned. The AT coin can be hiding lots of problems including prior cleanings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stujoe Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 Depends upon the cleaning. If we are talking brillo pad or steel wool or some other harsh method of cleaning, then I will take the AT coin. If we are saying that the cleaned coin has just been dipped white and is otherwise undamaged, then I would probably take it over the AT. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Just to illistrate what I am saying: If the cleaned coin looked like this: http://www.stujoe.com/cleaned.jpg (Obviously Cleaned) and the AT coin looked like this: http://205.232.129.196/lotimgs/coins/20/07/c20071332-a.jpg (Slabbed as 'Artificially Toned' by ANACS) I would take the AT coin in a heartbeat. But, if the AT coin looked like this: http://www.atcoins.com/images/Picture_197.jpg ('Body Bagged' by PCGS and/or NGC) and the cleaned coin looked like this: http://www.ncscoin.com/images/568973001oAFTER.jpg ('Conserved' by NCS) I would take the cleaned coin in a heartbeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuldFartte Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 Well, IF (and it's a BIG "if") the AT coin has uncleaned surfaces (in other words, original uncleaned, un-hairlined surfaces) under the toning, I'd take it over the obviously cleaned and hairlined coin. Then I'd dip that puppy, and stabilize it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlueke Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 The cleaned one. The artificially toned one could be hiding some defect that the cleaning would reveal. Also, one would need to clean the toned one anyway so why not skip a step Lastly, a little heat and eitehr version will tne right back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ætheling Posted September 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 I like many would take the cleaned one. Not just because i'm not into colourfully toned coins. But because quite often you have to ask why some coins are AT? What are they hiding... I see AT-ing a cleaned coin as adding insult to injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burks Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 As much as I like toned coins I'd have to go with cleaned. As Art said who knows what they are hiding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccg Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 Cleaned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trantor_3 Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 cleaned, as long as it's not covered in scratches/hairlines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
28Plain Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Six of one, half dozen of the other. The AT coin is probably a cleaned coin which was ATed to cover up the dip job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan769 Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Depends upon the cleaning. If we are talking brillo pad or steel wool or some other harsh method of cleaning, then I will take the AT coin. If we are saying that the cleaned coin has just been dipped white and is otherwise undamaged, then I would probably take it over the AT. What he said... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostDutchman Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 cleaned, as long as it's not covered in scratches/hairlines I agree this question really depends on how bad the coin was cleaned...if someone took a buffer to it, I would rather have a AT coin....but a light dip bath is much more prefered to some weird looking AT coin.....seems to be prefered by everyone else too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiffibunny Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Cleaned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stujoe Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 I agree this question really depends on how bad the coin was cleaned<{POST_SNAPBACK}> That was my thinking too. The term 'cleaning' is such a broad term. It encompasses everything from a sandpaper buffing that anyone could recognize to whatever it is that NCS does that can probably not be detected by the majority of people. The you have AT which is a line that is very hard to draw in and of itself. There is obvious AT, obvious NT, and a whole lot of questionable stuff in between. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuldFartte Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 I like many would take the cleaned one. Not just because i'm not into colourfully toned coins. But because quite often you have to ask why some coins are AT? What are they hiding... I see AT-ing a cleaned coin as adding insult to injury. In this day and age, they could be hiding nothing. Toned coins of many kinds bring a rather large premium just because of the color. Greed makes 'em do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 One quite clearly has been cleaned and is bright white. the other is quite clearly artificially toned, whatever colours you want to imagine. You've got to buy one, which one would you go for? First , I would consider whether or not the price of $500 for the cleaned coin reflected (pardon the pun) the fact that the coin was cleaned. if so, then in its uncleaned state it would be worth a small fortune. If not, then it would be a real waste of $500. Next I would consider whether the price of the artificially toned one reflected an accurate value for the coin or whether the $500 asked was playing on the `pretty colours' syndrome that some buyers have. If it was an accurate value, then no particular bargain there. In other words, the decision to be made isn't quite as simple as the scenario outlined. Personally, I would settle for an accurately priced `cleaned' coin (that must be extremely rare to command a $500 price tag!) over an accurately priced artificially toned coin with a value of $500. ...but then again, I favour the unusual. :-) Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stujoe Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 Depending upon the exact pieces involved, I might actually have to choose being hit over the head with the rolling pin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ætheling Posted September 13, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 What not the daffodils? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ætheling Posted September 13, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 Good points raised so far, particularly Ian's response. He always makes things more complicated! Generally the purpose of this entire thing was to see which one people considered the most damaging to a coin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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