sigistenz Posted July 13, 2010 Report Share Posted July 13, 2010 Hi, look at this one. They never come that nice and I was pretty close to bid on this fake, as it is rather close to the real design. But then I refrained in order to not encourage forgers and trafickers. It went at some EURO 15. It looks like mass production and one may be sure to encounter many more of them in the time to come. Sigi Uploaded with ImageShack.us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobh Posted July 13, 2010 Report Share Posted July 13, 2010 Hi, look at this one. They never come that nice and I was pretty close to bid on this fake, as it is rather close to the real design. But then I refrained in order to not encourage forgers and trafickers. It went at some EURO 15. It looks like mass production and one may be sure to encounter many more of them in the time to come. Sigi Thanks for this one, Sigi! It's amazing how "genuine" the surfaces look, though! And the forgers were even careful enough to misspell "КОПѢЕКЪ" (with a "Ь" instead of a "Ъ" at the end ... not typical for the usual Chinese forgeries). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted July 13, 2010 Report Share Posted July 13, 2010 This is ironic, when you consider that the Avesta coins were in and of themselves forgeries of the common russian coin. as Sigi says.... fake of a fake. it never ends! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one-kuna Posted July 14, 2010 Report Share Posted July 14, 2010 I saw this artifact on ebay since it was listed and was waiting if someone will post it over here. Well, looks like massive production of these is established somewhere. Very dangerous artifact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccg Posted July 14, 2010 Report Share Posted July 14, 2010 At first glace I would had thought it was real if you didn't say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marv Posted July 14, 2010 Report Share Posted July 14, 2010 Hi, look at this one. They never come that nice and I was pretty close to bid on this fake, as it is rather close to the real design. But then I refrained in order to not encourage forgers and trafickers. It went at some EURO 15. It looks like mass production and one may be sure to encounter many more of them in the time to come. Sigi Uploaded with ImageShack.us Hi Sigi. Good job ferreting this one out. It looks so nice - too nice. I might buy one for the "right" price just to have a sample. Marvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hussulo Posted July 14, 2010 Report Share Posted July 14, 2010 Bury it in the ground for a year or two and dig it up, it will look a lot more convincing then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted July 15, 2010 Report Share Posted July 15, 2010 Bury it in the ground for a year or two and dig it up, it will look a lot more convincing then. Don't forget to pee on it every morning! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one-kuna Posted July 15, 2010 Report Share Posted July 15, 2010 Don't forget to pee on it every morning! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergio Posted July 16, 2010 Report Share Posted July 16, 2010 À ýòî ñòîèò 50 äîëëàðîâ. Îò÷åêàíåíà íà ñòàðîé ìîíåòå. == And it costs $ 50. Stamped on the old coin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergio Posted July 16, 2010 Report Share Posted July 16, 2010 À ýòî ñòîèò 50 äîëëàðîâ. Îò÷åêàíåíà íà ñòàðîé ìîíåòå. == And it costs $ 50. Stamped on the old coin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted July 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2010 À ýòî ñòîèò 50 äîëëàðîâ. Îò÷åêàíåíà íà ñòàðîé ìîíåòå. == And it costs $ 50. Stamped on the old coin. I am sorry but I don't understand. What do you want to say? Thank you, Sigi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one-kuna Posted July 16, 2010 Report Share Posted July 16, 2010 I am sorry but I don't understand. What do you want to say? Thank you, Sigi Sigi, he said that this one (pictured) costs fifty backs and struck on old (?) piece Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted July 17, 2010 Report Share Posted July 17, 2010 Sigi, he said that this one (pictured) costs fifty backs and struck on old (?) piece Struck on the old coin means that it is a fake, and in my opinion $50 fr a fake is a bit too expensive - but that's just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted July 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2010 Struck on the old coin means that it is a fake, and in my opinion $50 fr a fake is a bit too expensive - but that's just me. Thank you both, Valentin and Alex. I also think that $50 would be too much, it would only lead to more and more fake production. Sigi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kopeikin Posted July 21, 2010 Report Share Posted July 21, 2010 Hi, look at this one. They never come that nice and I was pretty close to bid on this fake, as it is rather close to the real design. But then I refrained in order to not encourage forgers and trafickers. It went at some EURO 15. It looks like mass production and one may be sure to encounter many more of them in the time to come. Sigi Uploaded with ImageShack.us Sigi, it would be nice if you told how you determined it is a fake (of a fake). I never saw a real one. It would be nice if you can post a picture of a real one and make a comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one-kuna Posted July 22, 2010 Report Share Posted July 22, 2010 Sigi, it would be nice if you told how you determined it is a fake (of a fake). I never saw a real one. It would be nice if you can post a picture of a real one and make a comparison. Gorny 183 lot 7316 - just short comparasion identifies immediate difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted July 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2010 Sigi, it would be nice if you told how you determined it is a fake (of a fake). I never saw a real one. It would be nice if you can post a picture of a real one and make a comparison. Kopeikin, maybe you don't have the auction catalog mentioned by one-kuna. It is no longer on internet either. Generally speaking: The original Swedish imitations of the then current EM 5 kopek coins differed from the original by the design of the crowns, by the style of the cyphers, by the eagle design, by the misspelled "five kopeks" on the scroll, and so on, and so on. There were different dates and there were variants. All the features of the Swedish forgery have been imitated on the ebay coin. The design is pretty close to the true Swedish imitation. BUT the ebay coin is way too nice to be true. Not to speak of the luster (never seen on an Avesta 5 kopek) - the technique of the time just did not allow a coin this perfect. The Avesta coins were even more crude than the true EM 5 kopeks. I don't own an Avesta 5 kopek and don't want to steal a picture. They can be found in any Russian catalog (Michailovich/=Diakov, Brekke, Uzdenikov, Bitkin). Sigi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVE MOULDING Posted July 22, 2010 Report Share Posted July 22, 2010 Kopeikin, maybe you don't have the auction catalog mentioned by one-kuna. It is no longer on internet either. Generally speaking: The original Swedish imitations of the then current EM 5 kopek coins differed from the original by the design of the crowns, by the style of the cyphers, by the eagle design, by the misspelled "five kopeks" on the scroll, and so on, and so on. There were different dates and there were variants. All the features of the Swedish forgery have been imitated on the ebay coin. The design is pretty close to the true Swedish imitation. BUT the ebay coin is way too nice to be true. Not to speak of the luster (never seen on an Avesta 5 kopek) - the technique of the time just did not allow a coin this perfect. The Avesta coins were even more crude than the true EM 5 kopeks. I don't own an Avesta 5 kopek and don't want to steal a picture. They can be found in any Russian catalog (Michailovich/=Diakov, Brekke, Uzdenikov, Bitkin). Sigi Many pictures here: http://m-dv.ru/catalog/id,3231/all-prohod.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted July 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2010 Many pictures here:http://m-dv.ru/catalog/id,3231/all-prohod.html Great, Steve! I did not know the site. Thank you Sigi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one-kuna Posted July 22, 2010 Report Share Posted July 22, 2010 Kopeikin, maybe you don't have the auction catalog mentioned by one-kuna. Sigi I believe, in one of past post I promissed to send this catalog to the start-topic for an interesting question, which I did, was that you kopeikin ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVE MOULDING Posted July 22, 2010 Report Share Posted July 22, 2010 Great, Steve! I did not know the site. Thank you Sigi You're welcome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kopeikin Posted July 24, 2010 Report Share Posted July 24, 2010 I believe, in one of past post I promissed to send this catalog to the start-topic for an interesting question,which I did, was that you kopeikin ?? yes. I have G&M catalog 183 and lot 7316 is the Avesta 5k 1787.Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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