tabbs Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 In case you have any money left shortly after Christmas, here is your opportunity to spend it. Tiff already brought this up here http://coinpeople.com/index.php?showtopic=5589 ... now the pictures are there. Want Kitty on coins? Ask and you shall receive in abundance. Here are the three silver and two gold coins that the Monnaie de Paris issues on this, errm, occasion. Three silver coins (900), face value €1.50, EU price* €41 each: Kitty flying above Paris Kitty in a Parisian café Kitty shopping on the Avenue des Champs Elysées The 1/4 oz gold coin (999), face value €10, EU price* €269: Kitty at the Opéra Garnier The 1 oz gold coin (999), face value €50, EU price* €912: Kitty and her friend Daniel at the Galerie des Glaces (Versailles Castle) *French sales tax (TVA) included Most of these coins will be sold in Japan. But if for some strange reason you feel obliged to buy one ... Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SugarCheryl Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Ohhhhhhhh those are sooooooo dang cute! How much are they in good ol' US currency? Im sure more then I could ever afford....but curious none the less Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlueke Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Crazy. I just don't get this kind of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiffibunny Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Bleh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiggAndyy Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Crazy. I just don't get this kind of thing. It's happening for the same reason there will be a Presidential Dollar Series here in the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlueke Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 It's happening for the same reason there will be a Presidential Dollar Series here in the US. OK, I get the money making desire of the mint officials. I don't get why people would buy those instead of a denarius, a bust half, or any other decent coin :-P I know, I know, to each his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiggAndyy Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 OK, I get the money making desire of the mint officials. I don't get why people would buy those instead of a denarius, a bust half, or any other decent coin :-P I know, I know, to each his own. That is for the same reason people will drink Segrams 7 instead of Bushmills or smoke an el Segundo instead of a Punch Gran Puro, as one deveolps a sophisticated pallet ones discrimination between what is good and what is pedestrian will inevitably become more refined and respectable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxseries Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 I wonder how much did the Japanese black market paid to the French mint. Is the Japanese mint too stupid to think of better commemorative coins to be minted in Japan? The Hello Kitty proof set was one of the most ridicious sets ever minted - with the exact same proof coins and with a new medal plus a new case, tada! A brand new record price for doing "nothing much"!!! All you get in that mintset is a new medal and ohhhhhhhhhhh fancy packaging. So much for mad hello kitty collectors. What's next, Hello Kitty in the US, and you get the Hello Kitty 50 states version?! Hello Kitty in Hawaii, Hello Kitty in NY, Hello Kitty in blah blah blah. Oh boy, that's going to be a real expensive series to collect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiggAndyy Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Well, it was either Hello Kitty or Modern French War Heros, but all of those were going to be just blank planchets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tabbs Posted December 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Well, it was either Hello Kitty or Modern French War Heros, but all of those were going to be just blank planchets. Sure, because France does not fight as many wars as some others. As for the Kitty "coins", whoever likes them should buy them. Not me, though ... The Monnaie de Paris knows of course that no collector is able/willing to buy all their coins. Its policy is apparently to issue a whole bunch of coins every year, and some collectors will eventually buy a piece here and there. (I'm one of those collectors .) Voilà, profit made. Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willieboyd2 Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 Of course the US could issue a "Victory over Iraq" commemoritive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tabbs Posted December 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 Let's not get too much into politics in this thread, please. That is what Debates is for. The Kitty coins are bad enough by themselves. Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akdrv Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 I actually like them , except for that ugly copyright line. It's just huge on the Opera coin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Sisu Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 I actually like them , except for that ugly copyright line. It's just huge on the Opera coin. Yes, I noticed the same thing. It could have been done more discreetly like on the US Dolly Madison dollar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tabbs Posted December 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 It could have been done more discreetly like on the US Dolly Madison dollar. Yep, very "unobtrusive", that one. Last year I bought the Belgian Tintin coin http://www.honscha.de/bilder/10b04g.jpg (not colored, and the coin has something to do with the issuing country ...). Nice piece IMO but I found the "© Hergé/ML" disturbing in all that empty space around. Now these ones are even worse! As for the size of that line on the €10 Kitty coin, well, that piece is fairly small anyway (Ø 22 mm). The €10 silver coins and the €50 gold coin OTOH all have a diameter of 37 mm. Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ageka Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 For the past year I have seen I think 10% of all those Monnaie de Paris coins of yonder years pass by on ebay Germany Every week I see Lance Armstrong winning the 100 th year tour de france in 20 euro gold half ounce I got my Avatar on ebay Germany for what was like 15% over spot 6 months ago Now their 5 ounces gold at 99 pieces only are weekly on ebay Germany So I think the Japanese did not buy all the coins I like this Kitty but would not even buy it on the secondary market to much kitch for me I am now watching the Secondary Spanish market lol I just got Europa on the bull last week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ageka Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 http://boutique.monnaiedeparis.fr/is-bin/I...ricSearch-Start Now this is an intresting observation As far as I know only France has VAT on gold even old gold napoleon coins In Belgium I pay no VAT whatsoever on French Napoleons only the French do when and if they buy in France Rumour has it they come and buy in Belgium and Luxembourg and Spain and Italy and Switzerland but that is only rumour I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tabbs Posted December 18, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2005 As far as I know only France has VAT on gold even old gold napoleon coins You will know more about this than I do (I do not collect gold coins, with veeery few exceptions) ... But basically there is no sales tax if the coin is legal tender in the issuing country and if the price does not exceed 180 (?) percent of the gold value. The European Union issues a list of such sales tax free gold coins every year; this http://vddm.de/dokumente/2005.pdf is the German language version of that list for 2005, for example. Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ageka Posted December 18, 2005 Report Share Posted December 18, 2005 You will know more about this than I do (I do not collect gold coins, with veeery few exceptions) ... But basically there is no sales tax if the coin is legal tender in the issuing country and if the price does not exceed 180 (?) percent of the gold value. The European Union issues a list of such sales tax free gold coins every year; this http://vddm.de/dokumente/2005.pdf is the German language version of that list for 2005, for example. Christian In theory the coin has to be a coin legal tender past or present The coin has to be post the year 1800 The coin has to have at least 0.900 goldcontent The price has to be less then 170% i thought of the goldcontent Notwithstanding all these the French in France pay VAT on their goldcoins and Nothwithstanding all this there are interpretations circulated to the custom people ; interpratations you can only buy because they will not answer questions Interpretations that made a Double Eagle 20 $ coming from Switzerland to Belgium subject to TAX and they could not be bothered to explain why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tabbs Posted December 19, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 Interpretations that made a Double Eagle 20 $ coming from Switzerland to Belgium subject to TAX and they could not be bothered to explain why Well, I guess you could go to court for that - it was an administrative act after all. Problem is that the amounts we are talking about are usually not immense, so nobody would take it to court unless one is very sure about the legal situation and we are talking about a large volume ... If many people are involved, now that may sometimes help. I remember one case, exactly two years ago, when a lot of collectors were charged customs fees (actually Einfuhrumsatzsteuer - import turnover tax) by German customs for gold euro coins from San Marino. A forum member asked somebody knowledgeable about customs criteria, tariff groups and such, then wrote to customs that he would like to get the EUSt back, and posted his letter to that forum. A few others wrote similar letters, and voilà, after a while, they all got their money back. But yes, it is odd indeed that the MdP charges VAT for such gold coins ... Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottishmoney Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 I have paid VAT on coinsets etc from Monnaie de Paris boutiques, but when I went into banks in Paris I do not remember paying VAT on Napoleons, but this was a few years ago too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiggAndyy Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 VAT??? is that Vague Additions to the Total? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tabbs Posted December 19, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 Vat do you mean? Nah, it's not vague at all - it's precisely 69. Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ageka Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 I have paid VAT on coinsets etc from Monnaie de Paris boutiques, but when I went into banks in Paris I do not remember paying VAT on Napoleons, but this was a few years ago too. I read the French reinstituted Tax on gold However they invented a new name I see http://www.aocchange.com/or-bourse-cours.htm.php An 8% deduction on the sale of which 7.5% is called tax on precious materials and 0.5 % is called reduction of social deficit La TMP Les particuliers sont soumis à un prélèvement forfaitaire de 8% du montant brut de la transaction. Il se décompose en 2 éléments distincts : - La TMP, Taxe sur les Métaux Précieux : 7,5 % - La RDS, Réduction de la Dette Sociale : 0,5 %. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxseries Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 Hello Madness rampage is on: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...item=8392466030 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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