schutzenfester Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 Very nice medal but should it not be the Republic of the Seven United Netherlands 1779 because it predates the Batavian Republic(proclaimed1795) by 16 years? Unless the medal was struck that much later than its date. Here is an almost unique medal(I only know of one other) which happens to mention the Batavian Republic. That is a nice medal above and yes, I was incorrect. It is strange because the first picture I finished I notated as the Dutch Republic or The Seven United Netherlands and then I did some additional reading and I did a new picture notated as Batavian Republic. I must have confused the date somehow being that my first notation was correct. I debated just placing Netherlands 1779 but I wanted to be accurate... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schutzenfester Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 1779! Is this your oldest, Rod? I also have another shooting medal from the Netherlands, (The Dutch Republic), it is a Shooter Pfennig from 1651. I actually have two of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted March 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 I haven't bought a `shooter' for years.........until now that is. it was going for what I consider to be a `song'...and it was singing to me. Fribourg (1905) Cantonal shooting medal, engraved by the `Holy Freres'. Sorry, i'm still working from Krause's pocket book on the subject . Krause notes this one as having a mintage of only 300, and in silver. I suspect that Rod will tell me that Krause missed a few in his count and that the mintage was more likely to be 3,000 . In any event I would appreciate any further info that anyone can provide from the more up to date reference books on the subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schutzenfester Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 I haven't bought a `shooter' for years.........until now that is. it was going for what I consider to be a `song'...and it was singing to me. Fribourg (1905) Cantonal shooting medal, engraved by the `Holy Freres'. Sorry, i'm still working from Krause's pocket book on the subject . Krause notes this one as having a mintage of only 300, and in silver. I suspect that Rod will tell me that Krause missed a few in his count and that the mintage was more likely to be 3,000 . In any event I would appreciate any further info that anyone can provide from the more up to date reference books on the subject. Ian, Both Martin and Richter state a mintage of 858 which based on my years of collecting is a good number. Considered a common medal but still few enough to make you feel good when you are able to purchase one in good condition. Congratulations on the nice pickup, it is always refreshing when you find a medal for a good price! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schutzenfester Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 I haven't bought a `shooter' for years.........until now that is. it was going for what I consider to be a `song'...and it was singing to me. Fribourg (1905) Cantonal shooting medal, engraved by the `Holy Freres'. Sorry, i'm still working from Krause's pocket book on the subject . Krause notes this one as having a mintage of only 300, and in silver. I suspect that Rod will tell me that Krause missed a few in his count and that the mintage was more likely to be 3,000 . In any event I would appreciate any further info that anyone can provide from the more up to date reference books on the subject. Ian, As you are aware your schützenfest medal was engraved by Holy Frères of St. Imier. It was a medal of the 1905 Fribourg Cantonal schützenfest... Size: 33mm Rarity: Common Mintage: 858 pieces Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schutzenfester Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 I have the medal also and have posted a picture of it previously here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted March 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 I would imagine that a mintage of 858 would have been quite a significant number, given the level of demand at that time. Even now, I suspect that the number of serious `shooting medal' collectors world wide would number far less than 1/3rd of that mintage, rendering it `common'....or `not particularly hard to come across'. i wonder what the level of attrition has been for these pieces over the years? Unlike coinage, it will presumably be pretty low, the items themselves being cherished possessions rather than mere trinketry (?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schutzenfester Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 I would imagine that a mintage of 858 would have been quite a significant number, given the level of demand at that time. Even now, I suspect that the number of serious `shooting medal' collectors world wide would number far less than 1/3rd of that mintage, rendering it `common'....or `not particularly hard to come across'. i wonder what the level of attrition has been for these pieces over the years? Unlike coinage, it will presumably be pretty low, the items themselves being cherished possessions rather than mere trinketry (?) You are absolutely correct. These medals were cherished by their owners and most often also their families. That is why as you state, the attrition level of schützenfest medals is quite low. As far as serious schützenfest medal collectors; you may be indeed correct in your presumption although I have no idea myself, however, interest in schützenfest medals has sky rocketed in recent years. Increased interest though does not mean a "serious collector". I do beleive there are many serious collectors in Europe, Japan, and United States but in my opinion you are correct in your serious collector numbers. Common medals used to be just that, common and relatively easy to find and acquire but in the last few years many common medals have become increasingly harder to come by and thus perhaps many medals that were once common are no longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schutzenfester Posted April 4, 2015 Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 I picked this shooting medal a while back and thought I would share here today.It is from the 3rd. national shooting festival in New York City, 1868.Very nice original toning. National Shooting Festival Silver Medal 1868-Dated. Third National Shooting Festival in New York Medal. Struck in Silver. By Frederick B. Smith.38 millimeters. 22 grams. Obverse: Central design of the Coat of Arms of New York City, supported by a Sailor and Native American Indian, with a German legend, DRITTES AMERIKANISCES BUNDESSCHIESSEN ABGEHALTEN IN NEW-YORK, 1868. Reverse: Large American Heraldic Eagle holding a Target in its beak, and perched on Crossed Rifles, all within a Circle of Stars.I have seen this medal without the loop. The loop is pressed on the rim of the medal and the loop itself rotates freely inside the clasp. Originally the medal was awarded with a pin-back that was attached to the loop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedeadpoint Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 Very cool, Rod. Love seeing some American representation. Do you know where in NY this took place? How about scarcity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schutzenfester Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 Very cool, Rod. Love seeing some American representation. Do you know where in NY this took place? How about scarcity?The shoot was held in New York City but I have been unable to determine exact location thus far. The New York City Coat of Arms is being supported by the sailor and American Indian on the obverse. I beleive the medal is somewhat rare however I have no specific knowledge regarding rarity other that the fact that I have rarely seen if offered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted April 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 At the risk of sounding a puritan, nice medal .........but i'm struggling to see the `Swiss' connection (?). I can recall that there is already another thread, all be it, quite a short one (at least so far) within the exonumia section for shooting medals from locations other than Switzerland. Might it not be an idea to encourage the development of that thread given that there are some amazingly crafted shooting medals in existence from around the world just waiting to be highlighted and, who knows, others might then be encouraged to post what they have in their collections relating to that particular theme? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schutzenfester Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 At the risk of sounding a puritan, nice medal .........but i'm struggling to see the `Swiss' connection (?). I can recall that there is already another thread, all be it, quite a short one (at least so far) within the exonumia section for shooting medals from locations other than Switzerland. Might it not be an idea to encourage the development of that thread given that there are some amazingly crafted shooting medals in existence from around the world just waiting to be highlighted and, who knows, others might then be encouraged to post what they have in their collections relating to that particular theme? The Swiss or German connection (Swiss or German or Swiss/German is what is unclear) is the fact that it is from the 3rd National Bundesshiessen of New York, meaning it is a from a shooting festival started by either Swiss and/or German Americans. As far as the other thread, your reasoning is certainly a valid one and I will start posting shooting medals there that have no relationship to Switzerland, however I posted this medal for the reason I stated above. Using this same rationaIe I also previously posted a Manilla shooting medal; because it was from a Swiss enclave shooting festival held and awarded in the Philippines. I would think that my posting of the shooting medal from the Netherlands falls into your reasoning about the other thread. Although I posted here because I like to show our fellow enthusiats an example once in a while of shooting medals from other areas/locales to compare to those from Switzerland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedeadpoint Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 You both bring up great points. I forgot there is that other thread - I'd love to see more contributions towards it. I also love seeing the broad reach of the Swiss culture, too. Very cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaos Posted April 28, 2015 Report Share Posted April 28, 2015 No date, canton Valais R1547a Valais Cantonal Master Shoot Silver 50 mmEngraver: Huguenin, Le LocleR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaos Posted April 28, 2015 Report Share Posted April 28, 2015 I have just seen a shooting decoration on ebay using the obverse image for the 1945 shooting fest Ostschweizer Sportschützenverband 1945. Is Valis in East Switzerland? Thanks for pointing me to this forum. MARK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schutzenfester Posted April 28, 2015 Report Share Posted April 28, 2015 I have just seen a shooting decoration on ebay using the obverse image for the 1945 shooting fest Ostschweizer Sportschützenverband 1945. Is Valis in East Switzerland? Thanks for pointing me to this forum. MARK Hi Mark, Valais is in southern Switzerland with the majority of the canton bordering Italy. The west side of the canton borders France. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttm5 Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Hi, Anybody know when the Richter updates on Swiss Shootiing Medals values is coming out? It has been ten years since his original bible on the medals has been out and surely there has been changes and corrections to rarities and values as well as new found issues. Also, my original Richter edition is falling apart due to overuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schutzenfester Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 Hi, Anybody know when the Richter updates on Swiss Shootiing Medals values is coming out? It has been ten years since his original bible on the medals has been out and surely there has been changes and corrections to rarities and values as well as new found issues. Also, my original Richter edition is falling apart due to overuse. I think we should anticipate a revised edition in mid to late 2017. Revised indicating updated pricing, additions of missed medals, and corrections/clarifications. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttm5 Posted December 11, 2015 Report Share Posted December 11, 2015 You both bring up great points. I forgot there is that other thread - I'd love to see more contributions towards it. I also love seeing the broad reach of the Swiss culture, too. Very cool. Hi, I was lucky enough to pick up this shooting medal recently. "Tiro Suizo Mendoza, 1. de Agosta 1898" in 28mm bronze. Not listed in Richter nor can I find any other medal listed for Mendoza, Argentina. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schutzenfester Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 Hi, I was lucky enough to pick up this shooting medal recently. "Tiro Suizo Mendoza, 1. de Agosta 1898" in 28mm bronze. Not listed in Richter nor can I find any other medal listed for Mendoza, Argentina. 1898 Arg. Mendoza.png1898 Argentina-Mendoza.png Nice medal Tim. I don't have that one but I think that my Dad has, I will check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schutzenfester Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 1925 Sarnen, canton ObwaldenR1046a / M888Cantonal ShootAR40 mmEngraver: Arnold Stockmann, Luzern RR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schutzenfester Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 1876 Lausanne, canton VaudR1566 Note: unlisted bronze varietyFederal ShootBR41 mmEngraver: C. Drentwett, Augsburg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schutzenfester Posted December 20, 2015 Report Share Posted December 20, 2015 1886 Bellinzona, canton TicinoR1372b / M771Cantonal ShootAR40 mmEngraver: Edouard Durussel, Bern R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schutzenfester Posted December 20, 2015 Report Share Posted December 20, 2015 1890 Davos, canton GraubundenR838a / M452SchützenvereinAR37 mmEngraver: Vasco L. Schlütter, Geneve RR "Wildman" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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