sigistenz Posted October 2, 2018 Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 As the 1791 E:M: (Paul's re-overstrike) is a pretty rare coin, I wouldn't have expected that it is still subdivided by different pairs of dies. The above 2 pieces differ on both sides: On the cipher side the cipher's E lies over the I or under it, the second 1 of 1791 is either upright or slanting, etc. The eagle's tails are different (longer or shorter), the E: is in line with the upper two tail feathers or with the 2nd and 3rd tail feathers, etc. Sigi . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted October 3, 2018 Report Share Posted October 3, 2018 Very nice examples, and well noted, Sigi! Thank you for sharing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorS Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 Have you gentlemen seen this auction of copper coins that too place past Saturday? https://bidspirit.com/ui/catalog/auction/4501/1?lang=en See lot 315 for a wonderful example of this coin type. https://bidspirit.com/ui/lotPage/source/catalog/auction/4501/lot/92065/5-копеек-1791-года-Е-М-Медь-49?lang=en Many more nice ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 Put them together. Beautiful coin, just like Sigi's. I watched the sale, though couldn't take part in this auction much. There were also a couple of good Sestroretsk 1758 pyatak coins that I would be interested in. They all went very high in price (though it's relative, of cause), but to a degree I think they were worth it. I have these types in my collection, and Sigi has them too, as far as I remember, but they are better than what I have, I think. Late ($700) and early ($1000) Sestroretsk types: (RE: https://rarecoins.bidspirit.com/?options=narrow,noHouseLogo,hideFooter#catalog~153~202 ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorS Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 Yes, nice coins! I still have 1791 E:M: in my collection (most of my Paul re-overstrikes are gone). Kept it because of the provenance (B. F. Brekke) and the color. One day I will make a better picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 🧐 Nice coin with interesting provenance. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted October 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2018 I had watched those magnificent coins, too . But at BU coins that old - how to be sure that they are genuine? Of course they are or become genuine because of their pedigree as coming from a renowned auction sale and the price they fetched there. There are good reasons to be happy with circulated - doubtlessly honest - coins. They have lived and if they only could speak. That is what brains tell but the next supernice old pyatak will be tempting again.... Happy hunting - Sigi . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostdiamond777 Posted October 13, 2018 Report Share Posted October 13, 2018 Hello, everyone! Let me add a few more coins. I was fortunate to find two 5 kopecks 1791 E:M: and I can see some difference between them too.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostdiamond777 Posted October 13, 2018 Report Share Posted October 13, 2018 And the second one: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted October 13, 2018 Report Share Posted October 13, 2018 Wonderful coins all! What a great topic, and thank you all for showing. lost Diamond, your double (triple?) Overstruck 1791EM is treasure hunt for hidden detail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted October 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2018 On 10/13/2018 at 4:35 AM, lostdiamond777 said: Hello, everyone! Let me add a few more coins. I was fortunate to find two 5 kopecks 1791 E:M: and I can see some difference between them too.. Hi lostdiamond, and welcome here! Thank you for showing your nice coins. I compared them with what I showed. It seems to me that your 2nd coin is identical to my 2nd coin on both sides. Whereas your 1st coin looks like a combination of my 2nd cipher side and my 1st eagle side. That would make us deal with 3 different variants - what do you think? Sigi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted October 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2018 23 hours ago, squirrel said: Wonderful coins all! What a great topic, and thank you all for showing. lost Diamond, your double (triple?) Overstruck 1791EM is treasure hunt for hidden detail. Hi Josh, nice to hear from you again. How are you? Nice coins coming your way? Happy hunting, Sigi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostdiamond777 Posted October 14, 2018 Report Share Posted October 14, 2018 Thank you, guys, I'm glad you liked them! Squirrel, nice of you to notice multiple traces from the previous coins, I wasn't sure if it was triple overstrike or double punch. Sigistenz, yes you are absolutely right, looks like a combination. Those coins was minted in Nizny Novgorod mint as I understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 On 10/14/2018 at 9:22 AM, sigistenz said: Hi Josh, nice to hear from you again. How are you? Nice coins coming your way? Happy hunting, Sigi Cheers Sigi! Doing well here. I check in frequently, despite not actively hunting these days. My boy will be 10 next month! I havent had a spare dollar to buy anything, for oh, about 9 years. I do enjoy all the great topics, as they come up here. And a perpetual eye open for interesting overstrikes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 23 hours ago, lostdiamond777 said: Thank you, guys, I'm glad you liked them! Squirrel, nice of you to notice multiple traces from the previous coins, I wasn't sure if it was triple overstrike or double punch. Sigistenz, yes you are absolutely right, looks like a combination. Those coins was minted in Nizny Novgorod mint as I understand. Very clear! On your last image, at 12 oclock, above the 1791 eagle heads and crown, you can see the 10 from the previous 10K cipher undercoin, which is overstruck on the now hugely flatted crowns and wingtips of the previous 5K coin. It would be really fun if anyone could spot any traces of Peters 1762 10K! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostdiamond777 Posted October 16, 2018 Report Share Posted October 16, 2018 10 hours ago, squirrel said: Very clear! On your last image, at 12 oclock, above the 1791 eagle heads and crown, you can see the 10 from the previous 10K cipher undercoin, which is overstruck on the now hugely flatted crowns and wingtips of the previous 5K coin. It would be really fun if anyone could spot any traces of Peters 1762 10K! I got one like that on 1793 EM overstrike (from 1762 10 kopecks and on and on..)😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sigistenz Posted October 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2018 Yes, lostdiamond, it took some enhancing of your last picture, but now it's clear. The "10" must be the 1762 "10" because in 1796 the "10" was not on the cipher side. Great coin indeed! 😳 Sigi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted October 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2018 21 hours ago, squirrel said: Cheers Sigi! Doing well here. I check in frequently, despite not actively hunting these days. My boy will be 10 next month! I havent had a spare dollar to buy anything, for oh, about 9 years. I do enjoy all the great topics, as they come up here. And a perpetual eye open for interesting overstrikes! Hi Josh, you are right. It's much better to spend for your son than for coins. Thinking back I do not have a good conscience....... Sigi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted October 16, 2018 Report Share Posted October 16, 2018 I am contented that i own a fine example of a genuine cipher series 1796 10 kopeck. The catch is, Its cleverly disguised as a common 1793 EM 5 kopeck. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted October 17, 2018 Report Share Posted October 17, 2018 Please show if possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted October 17, 2018 Report Share Posted October 17, 2018 1 hour ago, extant4cell said: Please show if possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted October 17, 2018 Report Share Posted October 17, 2018 Nice one 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted October 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2018 I like it, too. Sigi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorS Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 Sigi, are congratulations in order for the first coin in post one? 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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