sigistenz Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 There was a 5kop1793 Paul's reoverstrike in the latest KÜNKER sale. At first glance it looked like just another Paulian 1793EM. Only when comparing my own 1793EMs with the picture it struck me that the KÜNKER coin lacked the "EM" mintmark. WOW. Looking the coin up in my catalogs was worth an even bigger WOW - the KÜNKER coin is the MICHAILOVICH specimen!!!, the same picture later borrowed by Brekke, Bitkin, Yusupov, Diakov etc. The identical MICHAILOVICH picture everywhere. In the Corpus it says, that the coin was in the Novgorod museum - the Grand Duke did not even own it himself!! WOW. I had the very very faint hope that the coin might pass under the radar of most people - and Bingo! I won it at EURO1600 / $1980. Awful heap of money for me (don't tell my wife) but I never had dreamed of a coin with this pedigree. It is safe to assume that there is no shaved off "EM" and that the anonymous coin was struck at the Novgorod auxiliary mint. See the Michailovich coin above and the Künker coin below. Sigi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 It's an amazing find Sigi! I can imaging the spectrum of feelings that you went through when you found it, won at the auction and finally got it and held it in your hands for the first time... There is nothing like this hobby, when you can feel at the same time as a historian researcher, an addict and a treasure hunter! Well done finding it and securing it for a hansom, but way under its real price (if you really know what it is). My honest congratulations! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorS Posted April 20, 2018 Report Share Posted April 20, 2018 Sigi, my congratulations as well. I did see the coin in the Kunker catalog, but did not look further, since I had one. What a provenance! I wonder where it was hiding for the past 100 or so years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted April 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2018 Thank you Eugene and Igor. A 5kop1793 no mintmark was listed in the DUBLETTEN sale, unpictured (Adolph Hess, Frankfurt Germany 1932 - Dubletten Russischer Museen). As the Michailovich coin was in the Novgorod Museum it might well have been the one in the Dubletten sale. I'll try to inquire at Künker's. Sigi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted April 20, 2018 Report Share Posted April 20, 2018 Spectacular! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one-kuna Posted April 23, 2018 Report Share Posted April 23, 2018 Very impressive buy ! Did another bidder know its provenance and stopped bidding at 1600 euro ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaostram Posted April 23, 2018 Report Share Posted April 23, 2018 Fantastic !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedeadpoint Posted April 24, 2018 Report Share Posted April 24, 2018 Congratulations!! Thanks for sharing the story with us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted April 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2018 I could not resist to doctor the dull looking coin a bit, stripped it of some sort of old wax and most of the verdigris. In hand I like it better than before. Sigi . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorS Posted April 26, 2018 Report Share Posted April 26, 2018 Very nice indeed! A few years back I sold most of my Paul re-overstrikes (kept the best ones by condition and provenance). Here is the example I had. The prices were stronger back then: https://www.sixbid.com/browse.html?auction=1096&category=22313&lot=1023798 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one-kuna Posted April 26, 2018 Report Share Posted April 26, 2018 Very nice one too and the rocket price hit but not from Georgii Mikhailovich collection, thank you for showing ! P. S. I got few overstrikes also and checked with GM corpus and a little upset - did not find even one like from GM collection.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted April 27, 2018 Report Share Posted April 27, 2018 Included Sigi's coin in the topic I started on SM (modern pictures of coins from corpus of Russian coins): https://translate.google.com.au/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.staraya-moneta.ru%2Fforum%2Fmessages%2Fforum14%2Ftopic203750%2Fmessage2168167%2F%3Fresult%3Dreply%23message2168167&edit-text=&act=url (translated to English version), here is a link to original Russian version: http://www.staraya-moneta.ru/forum/messages/forum14/topic203750/message2168167/?result=reply#message2168167 Now Sigi's coin can be shown in a company with coins from GM and Hermitage collections. If you have more modern images of coins from corpus, happy to add them to the topic, if you supply them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorS Posted April 27, 2018 Report Share Posted April 27, 2018 4 hours ago, one-kuna said: Very nice one too and the rocket price hit but not from Georgii Mikhailovich collection, thank you for showing ! You are right, it is from my collection! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 Just saw Eugene's post on Staraya Moneta, and rushed back here to congratulate Sigi with this amazing find! This coin has found a worthy owner, congratulations! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted April 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 Thank you all. And happy hunting Sigi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxseries Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 I missed this exciting topic. Congratulations Sigi!!!!!!!!!! Simply WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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