cammm Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Gentlemen,What is the difference for the variations of Peter the Great's Moscow Ruble KM# 130 in the Krause catalog? I mean KM# 130.1, 130.2, 130.3, 130.4 and 130.5?Best regards,Alexander Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RARENUM Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Hello Alexander, The difference is: year,type... -Rarenum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorS Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 Hello, Alexander. I read your post on coins.su. You made me reach for the book that was sitting on the shelf collecting dust for the past 12-15 years. It appears that photographs for 130.1, 130.2, 130.3, and 130.4 are there in the catalog (mine does not have 130.5 ) Pictures seem to be self explanatory. Rarenum motioned the basic differences. Tell us more, so we would know what you are after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorS Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 I followed your link and now understand more about your project. The best is to go to this site: http://www.m-dv.ru/monety-rossii-1700-1917/kid,7/mid,5/nid,22/types.html There you can match the pictures of the obverses against Krause and see the descriptions you looking for. You can also see the subtypes for each bust type, if they exist. Skip Novodels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cammm Posted April 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Dear Igor, RUBLE 1707 KM# 130.1 or Dav 1643: Crowned double eagle dividing Slavic date below. Several varietes. With H, G, or no letter on sleeve. If you'll check Monetny Dvor or raritetus.ru, only 1707-H has a Slavic date. Both 1707-G or no letter have the date in Arabic (1707). That is why I've got a question - what logic Krause or Davenport catalogs' editors as been using? Best regards, Alexander Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cammm Posted April 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Dear Igor, RUBLE 1707 KM# 130.1 or Dav 1643: Crowned double eagle dividing Slavic date below. Several varietes. With H, G, or no letter on sleeve. If you'll check Monetny Dvor or raritetus.ru, only 1707-H has a Slavic date. Both 1707-G or no letter have the date in Arabic (1707). That is why I've got a question - what logic Krause or Davenport catalogs' editors as been using? Best regards, Alexander Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RARENUM Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Hi Aleksander, It is hard to find logic if some catalogs outdated or info. missing. The best specialized book for period of the Peter the Great is Diakov book for gold, silver and copper 2 parts (2000) or for gold and silver (2012): Listed for 1707: 2 variety.-with"H" with Cyrillic and Arabic 1 variety.- "H" missing, Arabic date 1 small head var. with "G",Arabic date in additional 1 pattern with text"MOSKOVSKIY" with Cyrillic date and novodels struck in gold and silver with Arabic date Rarenum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RARENUM Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Hello, Alexander. I read your post on coins.su. You made me reach for the book that was sitting on the shelf collecting dust for the past 12-15 years. It appears that photographs for 130.1, 130.2, 130.3, and 130.4 are there in the catalog (mine does not have 130.5 ) Pictures seem to be self explanatory. Rarenum motioned the basic differences. Tell us more, so we would know what you are after. Igor, KM-130.5 1707 SMALL HEAD WITH "G" Rarenum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorS Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 In my catalog (First Edition) - 130.4 is small bust w/G on sleve (Davenport 1646) Alexander, I am sure you realized - if date is in () in Krause, it is a Slavic date. Also, your task is not an easy one, and it will not pay off at the end . But, if you want to spend more time on it, you can go on m-dv through the coins sold at the US auctions (Goldberg, Heritage, Stacks, etc.) a\nd see how they attributed them to Krause, Davenport, Bitkin, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cammm Posted April 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Dear Igor, You are absolutely right. We've decided to use Bitkin as an alternative catalog number. Here is the result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorS Posted April 28, 2016 Report Share Posted April 28, 2016 Well, it is a start! In the photographs, you are missing one of the 1710 reverses - Bitkin 192. You should also list Bitkin 192, 193 and 194 in your alt# section Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorS Posted April 28, 2016 Report Share Posted April 28, 2016 I now glanced at your other section - the roubles of 1704-1705. I wonder if this description is clear to anyone - "crown above eagle is open on edges". I usually see in the descriptions "open" or "closed", so not sure if adding "on edges" clarifies it further or not. You should also flip the pictures of the last reverse and the last obverse, since that obverse comes only with that reverse. That is a very rare "struck in collar" variety (you should change "minted in a circle" to "struck in collar"). Also, not exactly sure on the meaning of this - "Crown above eagle is short"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cammm Posted April 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2016 Dear Igor, Thanks a lot for your comment. Coin Brothers is a User Generated Catalog. Would be great if you'll edit this page to make it close to perfect. If you would need any support with graphics, I would be happy to provide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorS Posted April 28, 2016 Report Share Posted April 28, 2016 Dear Alexander, I will leave it in your able hands to make the changes. Sorry, too many other commitments. If you make the changes I had mentioned above, the result will be much better. Good luck with the project! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cammm Posted April 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2016 Igor, thanks a lot! We will put changes during weekend and then I'll ask you to make a review if you'll have a time for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cammm Posted May 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 Here is the final versions: Peter I the Great 1 Ruble 1704-1705 KM# 122 Peter I the Great 1 Ruble 1707-1710 KM# 130 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorS Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 Looks better now. There are still things there that could be improved, but that can be done in time by the project supporters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cammm Posted May 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 Looks better now. There are still things there that could be improved, but that can be done in time by the project supporters. Thank, Igor! By the way, do you have any ideas about the thickness of these Rubles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorS Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 Alexander, is it a trick question? I do not believe it to be a parameters mentioned in any catalogs. But having silver fineness, diameter and weight you should be able to figure it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cammm Posted May 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 Unfortunately I do not have these rubles, but your advice it great, thanks. You are absolutely right, I may calculate it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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