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Yours show the overstruck feature very clearly extent4cell.

 

Speaking of which, I just managed to preserved my coin and it is showing signs that it is a 1757 1 kopek overstruck over 1748 1 ore which I could not identify the year a few years ago. Will get around to taking photos. Some of my other coins are showing signs of verdigris - mainly due to my choice of collecting low grade coins and didn't care much of their original state. Don't get me wrong - some of these coins are extremely scarce and only appear once in a blue moon.

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Hi Sigi;

 

Yes, I bought this overstrike on eBay. But I haven't received the coin yet. I was a bit hesitant because of the price, given that it's such a

flatly struck piece. But I don't have one and it does show much of the under type. When it arrives I'll try to figure out the original coin, but

I'm not optimistic. If I can figure out the original coin I'll post here.

 

Best,

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Not here... I saw this coin, but didn't enlarged it, when it came past my sight... I keep hunting the 2 kopecks with 2 ORE signs... Nice left-over images on that 1 kopeck...

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Hello everyone!

Very interesting coins, nice to see pictures of your specimens. Also I have one in my collection, 1757 struck over a 1 öre sm 1731. My specialist area is Swedish copper and just recently discovered these coins. I've noticed that in Brekke (1977) there is a 2 kopek struck at a Swedish coin, though not mentioned what type of coin. Closest to hand to assume because of the 1 öre sm it might be a 2 öre sm, though their weight is 28,3g, maybe also they were cut down. Does anybody know anything about that?

 

 

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Hi and welcome here. :art:

Can you show us your coin?

Sigi

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Welcome Swedishcopper.  Interesting to learn these are hunted for by Russian and Swedish specialists.  Of course!  I would think the Avesta 5 kopeck is another coin of interest to you!  

I picked this 1k up on ebay long ago for a bargain.

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Hello everyone, thank you for the response!

I do not have my overstruck coin at hand right now, but I'll try to show you a picture soon. Yes, the Swedish "Avesta 5 Kopek" of great interest for me, at the moment I have one 1787. For now I'm happy with that and focusing on getting a 2 kopek struck on a 2 Öre SM. A parallell to this coin also exists in the Swedish coin history. When Sweden began production of 1 and 1/2 Skilling in 1802, the old 1 and 2 Öre SM were devalued by 50% and an overstriking program took place, the 1 Öre SM were overstruck to 1/2 Skilling and 2 Öre SM to 1 Skilling. This took place 1802-05 in Avesta (1/2 Skilling were also struck on new planchets, though in Stockholm). However, there exists one known 1 Skilling struck on a English 1 Penny from 1797.

 

Do you experts from outside Sweden know any other coins struck on Swedish copper coins?

 

 

 

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Nice 1 kopeck! Thank you for sharing.

This is one of the nicest kopecks:

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The 1 Ore coins were a little bit heavier and wider, so, just as with 2 kopecks made from 2 Ore, 1 Ore were cut down in size from ~31mm to ~29mm and re-edged. But "blanks" made for 2 kopecks from 2 Ore were better heated and treated (possibly pressed before that), that resulted in very few coins keeping any signs from the original "under-coins".

I am not aware of other overstrikes of Swedish copper coins. Though, there were many speculations (started by Winkler and supported by Uzdenikov) that apart from large Avesta 5 kopecks of late 18th century (such as this one) :

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there were some earlier, smaller 5 kopecks made outside Russia, some possibly in Sweden. Here is one of such suspects:

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The regular strike 5 kopecks were so light that had only about 1 kopeck worth of copper in them. There was too much temptation inside and outside Russia to use this fact into someones own advantage by forging illegal copies of these coins for circulation. Later most of such coins were destroyed at the mints by melting them. Some stayed in circulation and later were overstruck into 2 kopecks.

There were some regional types that were later ovestruck into regular Russian 2 kopeck coppers. For example this one ( Moldavo-valachsk coins 1771-1774 😞

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Here is an overstruck example under number 21, among other overstrikes into 2 kopecks:

 

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The design of Denga coins from 1730 and to 1754 has been influenced by Swedish emergency coinage and others, same with 1755 kopecks and with 1762 armature coinage...

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There was also German influence, Dutch, etc, etc... in later years:

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Very informative contribution. It is fascinating to see the armatures motive of the Prussian 8 Gute Groschen  copied on the 1762 4 and 10 kopecks.  But of course the 1762 Tsar, Peter III, had also been imported from Germany.

An excellent job, Eugen, thank you for the heap of knowledge and of course - - -  time.

Sigi :art:

 

 

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On 4/18/2019 at 11:51 AM, Swedishcopper said:

Hello everyone!

Very interesting coins, nice to see pictures of your specimens. Also I have one in my collection, 1757 struck over a 1 öre sm 1731. My specialist area is Swedish copper and just recently discovered these coins. I've noticed that in Brekke (1977) there is a 2 kopek struck at a Swedish coin, though not mentioned what type of coin. Closest to hand to assume because of the 1 öre sm it might be a 2 öre sm, though their weight is 28,3g, maybe also they were cut down. Does anybody know anything about that?

Hello Swedishcopper,

 

Later Published Brekke and Bekken  Supplement and put all information in one book By Tom W. Bakken

Book Description:

"The listing of  a 2 kopek struck over a Swedish 1 ore piece in Brekke is an error.It have been a 1 kopek as mention by the Grand Duke in his corpus" and deleting listed  Brekke #93, page 92 published in error

 

Kopecks of 1757,1758,1759 struck on Swedish 1 ore in following reference numbers Brekke  #73a,82a,83a

 

Rarenum

 

 

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It would be interesting to see 1759 overstrike on 1 ore. As far as I know, SM stopped production of coins in 1758 (possibly due to the fire), while SPM continued overstriking into 1759 (2 kopecks), but that had nothing to do with ore overstriking. I've heard about 1 kopeck 1759 overstrike on 1 ore, but could never confirm this. Possibly this info carried on from Brekke? Question is where it got to Brekke from and are there coins to support this claim?

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It has been a while - I have kinda put a brake on coin collecting. This is one of my older purchases a while back.

 

Found another overstrike over Swedish ore. I was hoping to get a 1758 as I already have one. That's ok as this is a much clearer overstrike. Both coins surprisingly are overstruck over the same 1748 1 ore. I am under the impression that 1757 1 kopek are much scarcer than 1758 1 kopek based on mintage figures.

 

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