Rain386 Posted April 9, 2014 Report Share Posted April 9, 2014 Poland zloty 1837 PF63, on envelope brilliant proof http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=241410&lotNo=15231 To be honest, if this coin would be raw in internet auction, i never would thought that this proof. Denmark 4srm 1871, on envelope proof, graded MS63 http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=241410&lotNo=15085 There are more of these, i just looked from my tracked lots. Still i think, the grader was not enaugh educated to grade them properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one-kuna Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 proof and MS-63 is too far away from each other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RARENUM Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 About 5 years ago I have interesting experience with PCGS and NGC company's. First I send 7 coins(5 kopecks silver of 19th century)to PCGS and received back 2-Proof and 5-Mint State. Second I break 5 holders(MS) and send coins to NGC and received 4(PF) and 1(MS). I was trying to grade 7 coins as Proof and final result was 6 Proof and 1 Mint State.My point is with all respect to grading company's we should look inside the holder and collect coins ,not the numbers on the holder.Collectors ,dealers,graders can have different opinion according on knowledge and experience. Rarenum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultra Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 Hello, What's your opinion on this coin? Genuine? http://allegro.pl/show_item.php?item=4130523596&msg=Tw%C3%B3j+e-mail+zosta%C5%82+wys%C5%82any.&msgtoken=048a25b10f8bf5405c1e387864ffa85323220a1444b540a86acf77d00be2ff62 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 RarenumMy point is with all respect to grading company's we should look inside the holder and collect coins ,not the numbers on the holder.Collectors ,dealers,graders can have different opinion according on knowledge and experience. Not to forget the fakes becoming genuine once graded Sigi . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RARENUM Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 Not to forget the fakes becoming genuine once graded Sigi . We all hope for the best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RARENUM Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 Hello, What's your opinion on this coin? Genuine? http://allegro.pl/show_item.php?item=4130523596&msg=Tw%C3%B3j+e-mail+zosta%C5%82+wys%C5%82any.&msgtoken=048a25b10f8bf5405c1e387864ffa85323220a1444b540a86acf77d00be2ff62 Hello Ultra, Looks like coin harshly cleaned original with some problems. If you can received better images I recommend review more details.First mount was removed or not and second if details was re-engraved . Rarenum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultra Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 Thanks Rarenum, Frankly I don't like that "regular" patina, with the only darker places between letters and small details. Looks like cleaning. When looking on larger pictures I got from the seller it looks much worse than mount removed, it has signs of a repaired hole. One letter is also changed incorrectly (?) - A instead of K. Planned to bid it but now I'm going to pass ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted April 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 Lots of "ifs"... I don't have a feeling it is 100% ganuine, but it may be possible. In-hand inspection is a must before buying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RARENUM Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 Thanks Rarenum, Frankly I don't like that "regular" patina, with the only darker places between letters and small details. Looks like cleaning. When looking on larger pictures I got from the seller it looks much worse than mount removed, it has signs of a repaired hole. One letter is also changed incorrectly (?) - A instead of K. Planned to bid it but now I'm going to pass ... Agree with you,I see all problem before and just confirm with better images. You can find original variety in M.Diakov catalog (2000) page 197 #31 . Rarenum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted April 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 A few interesting coins that I got in the past month: 44 - the only 9/9 feathers in the wings on ordinary type of 1730 Denga (thank you eBay!) 9b - The only eagle I know with tongs on 1730 Denga with one line (thank you David!!!) And a few interesting coins to add to the collection from bidding last night: Not the best condition, but exciting nonetheless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Nice coins! All from eBay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted April 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 The 1730 and 1731 dengas were from eBay, the others from Estonian auction. Denga 1752 and 2 Kopeks KM 1812 I was looking out for for a while, finally got a chance to add them to my collection. 1 Kopeck 1758 also not too common. The 1794 Kopeck is an interesting specimen as it is a sister coin to the one I got from Kuenker about 2 year ago only one from Kuenker was 3-4 times the price of this one... Just lucky, I guess... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted April 30, 2014 Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 congrats on all of them.! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted April 30, 2014 Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 I believe your 1758 is from Sestroretsk. I recently added a moscow mint one to mt set: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted May 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 Thank you Squirrel! Alex, I am not that good in mint identification, so I'd trust you on this one I like your Moscow kopeck, nicely toned with soft brown tones of the picture, is it like this in hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted May 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 Found another replacement of the very crude Denga 1757 that I have in the collection. This one looks pretty decent... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 Thank you Squirrel! Alex, I am not that good in mint identification, so I'd trust you on this one I like your Moscow kopeck, nicely toned with soft brown tones of the picture, is it like this in hand? The patina is not very deep, so I think it was cleaned/dipped some years ago. But a pleasant coin for the type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted May 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 Indeed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMIS Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 IMIS, did you see a coin in person ? Looks like too many "ifs" in your statements, also needs new better photos as well. BTW, welcome to coinpeole ! I missed something from this story, where did you get that info, that EPN had graded his coin as proof ? one-kuna, thanks for the welcome and please accept my apology for the delay in replying to you. I bought that coin and posted my question prior to receiving it. Bought it for the date variety; Proof vs. MS was a curiosity bonus. I am still leaning towards "PF" but do not insist on it. As the saying goes art (proof) in the eyes of a beholder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMIS Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 On that Heritage link, there is a photo of an envelope where this 1827 25k were. On that was written proof. If someone has time to look, then there were more non.russian EPN coins proof but ngc graded MS. I just thought that long ago they were not so educated to recognize proof from well struck coin:P Could be. May be this is the reason he is donating proceeds from this sale to advance education of numismatists:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kopeikin Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 one-kuna, thanks for the welcome and please accept my apology for the delay in replying to you. I bought that coin and posted my question prior to receiving it. Bought it for the date variety; Proof vs. MS was a curiosity bonus. I am still leaning towards "PF" but do not insist on it. As the saying goes art (proof) in the eyes of a beholder. IMIS, could you please provide a link to a picture of coin we are talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMIS Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 Poland zloty 1837 PF63, on envelope brilliant proof http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=241410&lotNo=15231 To be honest, if this coin would be raw in internet auction, i never would thought that this proof. This one still buffles me. My initial impression was that the obverse was impaired, but upon closer examination I could not find anything but light markings and minor dirt deposits consistent with the grade. No matter how I look at the coin, I am seeing two different "proof" finishes on obverse and reverse; which is beyond odd. I have seen coins with one side struck as proof and the other as proof-like (polished) but never as two different proof finishes. Not even sure if this was even possible at Warsaw mint in 1830-s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMIS Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 IMIS, could you please prove a link to a picture of coin we are talking about? I am not a very good photographer. Please see pictures taken by Heritage below http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=241410&lotNo=15253 : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted May 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 Interesting overstrike on 1713 kopeck. Combination of 5-petal rosette with an Earliest 1730 Eagle (tongs, feathers with lines, early cross on orb), plus additional bonus - horse legs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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