Shark Posted June 24, 2013 Report Share Posted June 24, 2013 Hello, I am new to the forum and I have a question for you. I have a coin 10 Roubles 1899 and want to know if it is fake or not? Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TicTac Posted June 24, 2013 Report Share Posted June 24, 2013 Hi! It's very difficult to say. There are too many fakes (remakes) in excellent quality. Their weight and sometimes millesimal fineness consistents with the originals. First of all you need to check mint marks. Here are their names and dates of employment at the mint in 1899: * Apollon Grasshoff (АГ) 1883-1889. * Felix Zaleman (ФЗ) 1899-1901. * Elikum Babayants (ЭБ) 1899 and 1906-1913. If your coin contains different mintmark you'll have fake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shark Posted June 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2013 And about this coin Can you tell me? However crave other opinions. Coins we buy today and get tomorrow. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shark Posted June 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2013 About this coin that I can say? Is oke or fake ? Waiting for the 3 opinions coins. They're fakes or not? At what price they estimate? I ask this because I am beginner of Russian coins. I want to start to collect and have knowledge in this area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shark Posted June 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2013 Hi! It's very difficult to say. There are too many fakes (remakes) in excellent quality. Their weight and sometimes millesimal fineness consistents with the originals. First of all you need to check mint marks. Here are their names and dates of employment at the mint in 1899: * Apollon Grasshoff (АГ) 1883-1889. * Felix Zaleman (ФЗ) 1899-1901. * Elikum Babayants (ЭБ) 1899 and 1906-1913. If your coin contains different mintmark you'll have fake. So you need to watch on the edge and see exactly what it says? If there Apollon wrote Grasshoff (АГ) 1883-1889; Felix Zaleman (ФЗ) 1899-1901 or Elikum Babayants (ЭБ) in 1899 and from 1906 to 1913 coin is original? You need to write a single mint no different? Tomorrow I have to get coins. Waiting for answers Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TicTac Posted June 24, 2013 Report Share Posted June 24, 2013 approximately price: $300 - $500 http://rucoin.ru/analys/?id_group=10000188301&condition=VF&date=64 for example: http://auction.conros.ru/lot/906999/342/1/ http://auction.conros.ru/lot/896588/338/1/ http://auction.conros.ru/lot/884880/335/1/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shark Posted June 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2013 approximately price: $300 - $500 http://rucoin.ru/analys/?id_group=10000188301&condition=VF&date=64 for example: http://auction.conros.ru/lot/906999/342/1/ http://auction.conros.ru/lot/896588/338/1/ http://auction.conros.ru/lot/884880/335/1/ Thank you. Please tell me the 3 coins that you seem okay? All are genuine? and.. Hi! It's very difficult to say. There are too many fakes (remakes) in excellent quality. Their weight and sometimes millesimal fineness consistents with the originals. First of all you need to check mint marks. Here are their names and dates of employment at the mint in 1899: * Apollon Grasshoff (АГ) 1883-1889. * Felix Zaleman (ФЗ) 1899-1901. * Elikum Babayants (ЭБ) 1899 and 1906-1913. If your coin contains different mintmark you'll have fake. So you need to watch on the edge and see exactly what it says? If there Apollon wrote Grasshoff (АГ) 1883-1889; Felix Zaleman (ФЗ) 1899-1901 or Elikum Babayants (ЭБ) in 1899 and from 1906 to 1913 coin is original? You need to write a single mint no different? Tomorrow I have to get coins. Waiting for answers Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TicTac Posted June 24, 2013 Report Share Posted June 24, 2013 So you need to watch on the edge and see exactly what it says? If there Apollon wrote Grasshoff (АГ) 1883-1889; Felix Zaleman (ФЗ) 1899-1901 or Elikum Babayants (ЭБ) in 1899 and from 1906 to 1913 coin is original? You need to write a single mint no different? Tomorrow I have to get coins. Waiting for answers Regards Unfortunately its not so simple. If this coin contains different mint mark its exactly fake. You can check basic characteristic: weight, thickness, diameter. If you can check fineness it will be excellent. After that you should check visual elements with etalon coin: images, signs, decorative elements. For example, in george suhaj catalog: Y#64 10 ROUBLES Date Mintage F VF XF Unc BU 1899 АГ 27,600,000 — — BV 300 425 1899 ФЗ Inc. above — — BV 300 425 1899 ЭБ Inc. above — — BV 300 450 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shark Posted June 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2013 Unfortunately its not so simple. If this coin contains different mint mark its exactly fake. You can check basic characteristic: weight, thickness, diameter. If you can check fineness it will be excellent. After that you should check visual elements with etalon coin: images, signs, decorative elements. For example, in george suhaj catalog: Y#64 10 ROUBLES Date Mintage F VF XF Unc BU 1899 АГ 27,600,000 — — BV 300 425 1899 ФЗ Inc. above — — BV 300 425 1899 ЭБ Inc. above — — BV 300 450 Ok , thank you very much ! Silver coins and the 7.5 ruble original or not you find? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TicTac Posted June 24, 2013 Report Share Posted June 24, 2013 Thank you. Please tell me the 3 coins that you seem okay? All are genuine? and.. Yeah, this coin passed the examination before the coin auctions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shark Posted June 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2013 Ok, thank you very much SILVER coins and the 7.5 rouble are original or not ? Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TicTac Posted June 24, 2013 Report Share Posted June 24, 2013 Ok , thank you very much ! Silver coins and the 7.5 ruble original or not you find? There are such coins and looks like original. Silver coin Y# 43 ROUBLE 20.7300 g., 0.8680 Silver 0.5785 oz. ASW Ruler: Alexander III Subject: Alexander III Coronation Obv: Head right Rev: Crown, scepter on pillow within wreath Note: Without mint mark. Date Mintage F VF XF Unc BU 1883 279,000 60.00 125 275 700 1,000 1883 Proof — Value: 2,500 7.5 coin Y# 63 7 ROUBLES 50 KOPEKS 6.4516 g., 0.9000 Gold 0.1867 oz. AGW Ruler: Nicholas II Obv: Head left Rev: Crowned double imperial eagle, ribbons on crown Note: Without mint mark, moneyer's initials on edge. Date Mintage F VF XF Unc BU 1897 АГ 16,829,000 250 400 550 1,000 — Original or not... You should check by examination. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shark Posted June 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2013 There are such coins and looks like original. Silver coin Y# 43 ROUBLE 20.7300 g., 0.8680 Silver 0.5785 oz. ASW Ruler: Alexander III Subject: Alexander III Coronation Obv: Head right Rev: Crown, scepter on pillow within wreath Note: Without mint mark. Date Mintage F VF XF Unc BU 1883 279,000 60.00 125 275 700 1,000 1883 Proof — Value: 2,500 7.5 coin Y# 63 7 ROUBLES 50 KOPEKS 6.4516 g., 0.9000 Gold 0.1867 oz. AGW Ruler: Nicholas II Obv: Head left Rev: Crowned double imperial eagle, ribbons on crown Note: Without mint mark, moneyer's initials on edge. Date Mintage F VF XF Unc BU 1897 АГ 16,829,000 250 400 550 1,000 — Original or not... You should check by examination. Good luck. 1)ROUBLE -1883- (20.53) 2)10 ROUBLES -1899- (8.60) 3)7.50 ROUBLE -1897 (6.47) These are coins Weights. What do you think? In terms of weight are good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TicTac Posted June 24, 2013 Report Share Posted June 24, 2013 1)ROUBLE -1883- (20.53) 2)10 ROUBLES -1899- (8.60) 3)7.50 ROUBLE -1897 (6.47) These are coins Weights. What do you think? In terms of weight are good? Yes, it's within normal weight range. And in additional, coin weight, specified in the George Suhaj catalog, can differ from official Mint weight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shark Posted June 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2013 Yes, it's within normal weight range. And in additional, coin weight, specified in the George Suhaj catalog, can differ from official Mint weight Thank you very much for your input and for your kindness. We know you are a collector with a high level of knowledge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one-kuna Posted July 13, 2013 Report Share Posted July 13, 2013 I do not get it why this topic is under "article" - could someone move it out of here and place it in a right category ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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