buzkirk Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 After a few weeks of trying to buy these of ebay with very little success, I have now got a 1866 and 1865 still need a good 1863 (bidding on a nice one now) What's with all the interest on these coins, they are bringing 3X book price, every one I bid on seems like 25 bids and is being snapped up by people bidding on thousands of coins a month. Here is the link to the ebay sale http://www.ebay.com/itm/370563350830?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649#ht_542wt_1185 I'm guessing this 1865 will grade at EF or better. How would you grade it off these photos ? Any info anyone has on these will be appreciated Thanks Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccg Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 From the photo, VF30 net, due to the green stuff. Crown isn't that sharp, though that may be a strike issue. Also, keep in mind that Krause isn't always "on the ball" on prices as it is a generalist guide. For specific collecting of any nation's coins, it's always best to use the standard catalogue for that country. e.g. for US coins, I would use the Red Book. For HK coins, the Ma catalogue is standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccg Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 Also looks like there's MDD on the Chinese character "wen" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzkirk Posted December 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 Thanks ccg This coin had the most detail on the crown, than any other of the 20 raw ones i've seen in any date. There are a few slabbed ones with better detail, but at a significant premium will post the 1866 later, and the 1865 when it's in hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccg Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 Any East Asian coin will usually attract a significant premium when slabbed (PCGS / NGC) versus raw, especially in AU or better, as it takes the uncertainty out of the grade and also the authenticity (not as significant in the case of minor coinage). As this was a coinage that was only struck for several years, then circulated for decades with no new issues, yes, this relatively speaking is a pretty nice example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art1.2 Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 Since ccg mentioned slabbed versions it raises a question for me. Maybe you guys know the answer. A while ago I believe NGC established an office in Singapore or Hong Kong (not sure which - maybe both) because of the volume of business they were doing there. Are the slabs exactly the same? Do they indicate in anyway that they were certified/slabbed in that location vs. the US plant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccg Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 Since ccg mentioned slabbed versions it raises a question for me. Maybe you guys know the answer. A while ago I believe NGC established an office in Singapore or Hong Kong (not sure which - maybe both) because of the volume of business they were doing there. Are the slabs exactly the same? Do they indicate in anyway that they were certified/slabbed in that location vs. the US plant? I would expect that any offices outside of the usual (e.g. 1-day walkthrough at shows) would use the same type of slab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzkirk Posted December 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 Whew ! Finally got a 1863 1 mil, not as nice as the 1865, but I got one ! This completes the Hong Kong Mil coins, 1863, 1865, 1866. http://www.ebay.com/itm/190608707198?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649#ht_500wt_1202 Now on to the Victoria HK cents, this is going to be alot harder to get, and about as pricey ! Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzkirk Posted December 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 Here is a little info (copy and paste) As a result of the Treaty of Nanking, Hong Kong became a British Colony in 1841, but the Hong Kong's own coinage did not come into existence until 23 years later. Sir Hercules Robinson, the Fifth Governor of Hong Kong [1859-1865]. who declared that the commencement of Hongkong's own coinage on 16th February 1864. Though Royal Proclamation had already granted the use of the new coinage in Hong Kong on 9th January 1863. This Mil first minted by the Royal Mint London in 1863. The inscriptions on the obverse of this coin are HONG - KONG ONE MIL 1863 V.R. and a crown. Four Chinese characters on the obverse means Hong Kong One Cash. One of the horizontal stroke of the Chinese character (Hong) is missing. Some other collectors told me that this was not an error, this was 'Filled Die'. At the time when this coin was minted, some foreign material went into the die to cause no impression on the planchet. This mil is much smaller and lighter than a Chinese copper cash of the same period, and has a round hole instead of a square hole in its centre. This small Mil had never proved popular and was discontinued after 1866. Mintage figures 1863 = 19,000,000 1864 = unknown 1865 & 1866 = 40,000,000 (combined) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art1.2 Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 Very nice coin Tom and the info really helps to make your collection more interesting for me anyway. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzkirk Posted December 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 I'm trying to do better Art, now if i can just get a few good photos, Camera having a hard time focusing on such a small coin Y# 1, KM# 2, metal Bz, 1 Mil ( 1 Wen in Chinese ) major variant without hyphen between Hong Kong Mintage 40,000,000 Rarity = C (rare) Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.us Y# 1a, KM# 3, metal Bz, 1 Mil ( 1 Ch'ien in Chinese ) also note the different size of the 6s, in 66 Rarity = D (not so many) Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzkirk Posted December 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 From the photo, VF30 net, due to the green stuff. Crown isn't that sharp, though that may be a strike issue. ccg it appears like it (1865) was a Double die coin, evident on the reverse, and missing part of the 8 on obv. Looks really cool now I have it in hand, and a error coin could make up a little in price, also being a minor variant with the missing hyphen between the Hong - Kong I am feeling alot better about the $40 now Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccg Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 ccg it appears like it (1865) was a Double die coin, evident on the reverse, and missing part of the 8 on obv. I stand by my earlier comment that I think that it's a MDD rather than die doubling since the doubling on the characters are going in different directions rather than all the same way. Unless it's really messed up Still a very neat example, though! --- Credit / courtesy link for the above copy/paste info on the HK mil: http://home.netvigator.com/~ykleungn/hk1mil.htm note: It's always best to provide links to pages with relevant info since it helps improve their page rank for SEO (search engine optimization) purposes. Copying information, on the other hand, may be viewed as duplicate content and hurt the ranking of both pages involved - both the copied and the duplicate. Think of google as an exam proctor who doesn't too kindly appreciate identical content. In this case, since it's a few paragraphs, and there's a lot more different content on both this discussion page and the original reference page, it's not as significant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzkirk Posted December 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 Here is the last of the 1 MIL, circulated dates ( 1863,1865,1866) Y# 1, KM# 1, metal Bz, 1863 1 mil ( 1 wen in Chinese ) mintage 19,000,000, minted in London England Rarity = C (rare) Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art1.2 Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 Tom, Nice coins and your photography is improving greatly as you go. Thanks for sharing with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzkirk Posted December 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 Thanks for looking Art, as far as my photo skills go ( I get lucky every once in a while ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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