Fake(?) 1838, 1857 Roubles

[Voomer]

Hi Guys!

 

I found these two item on a hungarian auction site. Is anybody can help me to examine these coins?

The end of the feather seems to be puffy to me on both coins. I didn't find the same issue all over the internet.

 

http://erme-penz.vatera.hu/kulfoldi_penzerme/oroszorszag/rubel_1857_cpb_180260057.html

http://erme-penz.vatera.hu/kulfoldi_penzerme/oroszorszag/rubel_1838_cpb_180256200.html

 

Thanks

 

Voomer

[Candidate]

Both are contemporary rude fakes.