RW Julian Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 A Chinese seller has 686 fakes advertised for sale, of which the following is a sample: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=250300629181 It is of course marked as a replica and we can all be “certain” that none of these pieces will ever be sold without the marking. Most of the fakes are U.S. oriented, especially Morgan dollars. It is not a good sign for the future, however. One has to wonder, however, which of the entities here is the most dishonest – eBay for knowingly allowing fakes to be sold or the sellers. RWJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 A Chinese seller has 686 fakes advertised for sale, of which the following is a sample: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=250300629181 It is of course marked as a replica and we can all be “certain” that none of these pieces will ever be sold without the marking. Most of the fakes are U.S. oriented, especially Morgan dollars. It is not a good sign for the future, however. One has to wonder, however, which of the entities here is the most dishonest – eBay for knowingly allowing fakes to be sold or the sellers. RWJ That is one heck of a Replica! Thank you for bringing our attention to these things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hussulo Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 I agree! Just makes you wonder how many are about that haven't been marked replica. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 Now there's a whole range of Nicholas II poltinas: 1903, 1906, 1907, 1908, 1909, 1910, 1911, 1912 IMHO portrait side looks cast - grainy surface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobh Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 Now there's a whole range of Nicholas II poltinas: 1903, 1906, 1907, 1908, 1909, 1910, 1911, 1912 IMHO portrait side looks cast - grainy surface. Right. Makes you wonder what material they used ... marzipan, perhaps? The 1903 would be a dead giveaway because these were only struck in proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RW Julian Posted October 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Right. Makes you wonder what material they used ... marzipan, perhaps? The 1903 would be a dead giveaway because these were only struck in proof. Perhaps melamine, now that it can’t be used in counterfeit milk. RWJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobh Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Perhaps melamine, now that it can’t be used in counterfeit milk. RWJ Good one, RWJ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobh Posted November 1, 2008 Report Share Posted November 1, 2008 Here's another replica listing by this same seller: Morgan Dollar replicas Take a close look at the larger images ... doesn't it look like the word "REPLICA" has been photoshopped into the picture? Hmmm ... Here's another one, this time a USA three cent silver replica: USA 3 cents 1868 silver On this one, the "REPLICA" appears to have been stamped heavily into the reverse side ... however, these things (the originals, at least) are TINY, weighing only 0.8 grams and measuring 14mm in diameter. They are quite easily bent, so I'm wondering if the obverse picture was taken before the stamp or perhaps it is a different coin altogether? It seems highly unlikely that such a stamp could have been made without impairing the other side as well. I think I will buy one of the 50 kopek replicas just to see what I get. At least that way I can weigh it. Also, I have downloaded the larger images from the 50 kopek replica auctions so as to compare them with authentic ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lennysky Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 These are very high quality repros, probably close in weight to the originals. I bet this is the trial run to be followed by those which are not stamped. It will be mayhem if they hit the market Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobh Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 These are very high quality repros, probably close in weight to the originals. I bet this is the trial run to be followed by those which are not stamped. It will be mayhem if they hit the market After examining the pictures more closely, I think it will be an obvious fake when holding the coin in hand. The surfaces are just too grainy. What is dangerous is that the pictures do not really show this too well. But I won't know for sure until I have one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lennysky Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 After examining the pictures more closely, I think it will be an obvious fake when holding the coin in hand. The surfaces are just too grainy. What is dangerous is that the pictures do not really show this too well. But I won't know for sure until I have one. Once you are holding it, it is a bit late. If the photos are doctored-up, they will be impossible to tell from the real coins. Imagine, Chinese sellers find a venue to send a mountain of these to Germany and then someone in Germany lists them. It will be a pandemonium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altyn Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 And now look at this: http://cgi.ebay.com/Replica-1877-Russia-25...id=p3286.c0.m14 It appears they try to conceal the seam with edge marks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 And now look at this: http://cgi.ebay.com/Replica-1877-Russia-25...id=p3286.c0.m14 It appears they try to conceal the seam with edge marks. What am i missing here? This is a common date coin, what is the point of a replica? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobh Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Once you are holding it, it is a bit late. If the photos are doctored-up, they will be impossible to tell from the real coins. That is precisely why I want to buy one of these fakes! There will usually be something they missed, so it would still be possible to ascertain whether the photo was taken from a real coin or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drusus Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 He sure is chugging out those morgan dollars... I thought of buying one of the fakes that might be in my list like the few German and netherlands, french, etc... but decided not to as I dont want to give the guy a penny (to copy). He is, without doubt, selling coin without the replica...this is why I dont like replicas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiho Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 He sure is chugging out those morgan dollars... I thought of buying one of the fakes that might be in my list like the few German and netherlands, french, etc... but decided not to as I dont want to give the guy a penny (to copy). He is, without doubt, selling coin without the replica...this is why I dont like replicas As a rule of thumb I refuse to patronize Chinese counterfeiters. They are ruining my favorite hobby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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