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@Banivechi

Thanks for the tip, but it doesn't stop me from hoping the 'first time lucky'-scenario unfolding before my eyes ;)

 

@thedeadpoint

Well, for me it's the second. I bought it for close to nothing, and already had a big offer for it, but that's one of the coins, that will stay with me, untill I'm six feet under ;)

 

The first one is also great. But that is more TPG-style great. A higher grade, but not a higher appeal, unless not in my eye, the place where beauty rests :ninja:

 

Regards,

 

Jos

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So, you guys gave me the bug!

 

Today I bought a 1763 5 Kopecks, which I believe shows designs of 2 other coins underneath the main design!

 

If I'm not mistaken - one is the 10 Kopecks of Peter.

 

I will photograph and post the images tonight.

 

Also bought a 1789 EM 5 Kopecks from the same guy, which I believe to be an AU grade with hints of original luster showing. I hope to be able to capture that in my images, as well.

 

~Roman

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Looking forward to those pictures :ninja:

 

I had a good hard look at some today, but didn't see any clear ones. I also saw they were quite pricy (starting with 75 euro, about $100). I will wait to buy some, untill I know them better.

 

Regards

 

Jos

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I'll start with the "other" coin - it's the best-looking 5 kopecks copper I've ever seen:

 

Russia-1789-5kopeks.jpg

 

Now, for the over-struck piece:

 

Russia-1763-5kopeks.jpg

 

It looks like there's traces of "KOP..." (Kopeek?) running roughly through the middle of the previous design. That looks like a 10 Kopecks issued under Peter III in 1762. The stars, barely visible on the reverse of mine, also confirm that suspicion.

 

Here's the close-up of mine and the Peter III coin below.

 

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Also, there appears to be another design "bleeding through". You can see parts of a "wreath" on the reverse, as well as "...EKb" (kopeek) on the obverse. I am guessing that, before becoming 10 Kopecks under Peter III, it was a 5 Kopecks of Elizabeth I.

 

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closeup1.jpg

 

So, what do you guys think? That sounds like possible hosts?

 

~Roman

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That's a great example. I think you're right. 3 different coins in this one.

 

I really have to search harder for these :ninja:

 

Sunday a meeting of my coinclub. Maybe there will be something to find there.

 

Jos

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Yes Roman, yours definately is double overstruck. Most of the Peter III 10 kopeks were overstrucked Elizabeth I 5 kopeks and then it was again overstruck in the next year. Big waste of time and effort :ninja: Nice coins by the way.

 

That coin is one of the easiest coin to find out of overstrikes. Perhaps the next easiest is a 2 kopek coin which nornally don't cost too much. Averages around 40 dollars or less or an Anna denga, overstruck on Peter I kopeks.

 

The most challenging coin that I have is the Anna denga overstruck on a 1724 kopek, which is quite difficult.

 

Speaking of which, I actually received an email about the Chinese overstrucked coins of Korean 5 funs. It seems that it is only restricted to Chekiang and Shantung and were struck by 'private' mints (suprise suprise!)

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After taking a picture of my Provincial Mexican copper 1/4 Real (San Louis Potosi), I noticed that it's also overstruck. The host appears to be 1/8 Real from Zacatecas.

 

I noticed random circles on the fileds, which looked suspicious and made me take a closer look at the fields. That's when I noticed an upside-down "O....AV.." (under the eagle's wings) on the obverse. There's also some lettering bleeding-through (look at 4 o'clock on obverse), which looks like "LIBER..." Also, the top "scratch" on obverse seems to contain letters, as well.

 

Here's the Potosi coin:

 

Mexico-Potosi-1867-Quart.jpg

 

Looking at different Octavo (1/8) Reales in Krause, I found this:

 

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I found a seller who was willing to part his collection of Chinese overstrucked coins from his personal collection on the condition that I am to further investigate about overstruck coins. That means that more infomation will pop out hopefully over time :ninja:

 

I am pretty suprised over the details of some of them.

 

This is the original coin used:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=150124574214

 

These are the overstrucked coins

 

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Doesn't look too pretty but it's interesting to see what happened in the past.

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I found a seller who was willing to part his collection of Chinese overstrucked coins from his personal collection on the condition that I am to further investigate about overstruck coins. That means that more infomation will pop out hopefully over time :ninja:

 

I am pretty suprised over the details of some of them.

 

This is the original coin used:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=150124574214

 

These are the overstrucked coins

 

Doesn't look too pretty but it's interesting to see what happened in the past.

 

Those look really nice. Wish I had one ;)

I will try to look for them in my coinclub.

 

Lucky ******* ;)

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I'll start with the "other" coin - it's the best-looking 5 kopecks copper I've ever seen:

 

Russia-1789-5kopeks.jpg

 

Now, for the over-struck piece:

 

Russia-1763-5kopeks.jpg

 

It looks like there's traces of "KOP..." (Kopeek?) running roughly through the middle of the previous design. That looks like a 10 Kopecks issued under Peter III in 1762. The stars, barely visible on the reverse of mine, also confirm that suspicion.

 

Here's the close-up of mine and the Peter III coin below.

 

closeup2.jpg

 

closeup3.jpg

 

00750q00.jpg

 

Also, there appears to be another design "bleeding through". You can see parts of a "wreath" on the reverse, as well as "...EKb" (kopeek) on the obverse. I am guessing that, before becoming 10 Kopecks under Peter III, it was a 5 Kopecks of Elizabeth I.

 

closeup4.jpg

 

closeup1.jpg

 

So, what do you guys think? That sounds like possible hosts?

 

~Roman

 

 

Very attractive examples! :ninja:;)

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The Chinese overstrucked coins came in today - I wasn't really expecting what I saw today.

 

The original coins used are perhaps some high UNC to XF, ranging from 1893-1902. Some Korean coins today if they are left in the original form command very high prices.

 

The underlying high grades wouldn't be a suprise as the Chinese coins were supposely struck in Zhejiang (Chekiang) and Hubei (Hupei) from 1902-1906. Krause appearently mentioned about overstrucked coins in Zhejiang but didn't mention anything about Hubei.

 

I'll report the overstruck years later.

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Here are some shocker Chinese overstruck 10 cash over Korean 5 fun.

 

China (Chekiang or Hupei) (1902-1906?) 10 cash overstruck on Korean Gaeguk 502 (1893)

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China Chekiang (1902-1905) 10 cash overstruck on Korean Guangmu 6 (1902) 5 fun

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China Hupei (1903-1906) 10 cash overstruck on Guangmu 2 (1898) 5 fun

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China Chekiang (1903-1906) 10 cash overstruck on Korean 5 fun, likely to be Gaeguk 501-505. (1892-1896)

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Few chances to see the traces of 12 kreuzer. I have 7 or 8 coins of 7 kr. 1802, different mints, but none of them seems to be overstrike :ninja:

 

Looks like I have more luck then ;)

 

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The legends are very easy to spot, all way round. No traces of the centerpiece though, but you don't hear me complaining ;)

 

Jos

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  • 4 months later...

Wanted to share this one with you all.

 

Another 7 Kreuzer 1802, but this time from the E - mint. Rarer than the A but since it was holed, I think it's still expensive.

 

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It's for sale, but as I've said before, too expensive for me, in that condition.

 

But you got to love those traces...

 

Jos

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