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"Ideal" Pyatak Alas, Numismatics isn't always a precise science, and though, documents are great when they are available and correct, one must also theorize and base the assumptions on analysis. Below, is my humble opinion on what the "ideal" 5 kopecks in series of Elizaveth (Elisavita Petrovna) coins is. Trial 1757 coins (5 k.) with different coat of arms (Petersburg, Moscow and Siberia) - beautiful myth and nothing more. Analysis of those coins lets us identify coins of a later times, particularly if you would pay attention to their scrolls. The model five kopecks 1757, with silver Dassier eagle, if such has ever existed, didn't survive to our times. That's why, we have no choice, but to compare ideal pyatak's Dassier eagle to the one on 1757 rouble: [photo of Lenox, Hermitage] Nonetheless, there are other two coins with nominal 5 kopecks 1758, which we may consider as "ideal" examples that laid the basis to the whole series of 5 kopecks 1758 and forth-forward. One of them is from the Tolstoy collection and now sits in the Hermitage. It can be seen in GM catalogs: If you search the numismatic sites you may even find a better quality modern picture of this coin made by Altair. This coin, in theory, is from the 1758 group of coins from a model strike by Petersburg mint. All elements on the coin are identical to the elements on early Sestroretsk mint coins (including the shape of the year numbers), apart from the "Пять * Копеек" scroll. Such scrolls (see their ends) are typical only to the early Moscow and to Ekaterinburg mint pyataks. EM and MM received model coins and their impressions, and they were stroke with the same dies and at the same time with the above coin. Uniqueness of this coin is exactly in that, as if we speak about SPM trial strike coins, from which the model coins for MM and EM were chosen from, and if we speak of the pyataks stroke by SPM (where the regular strike of five kopecks did not exist), you can not find a better candidate than this coin, and such mind fantasy sits pretty well with me, bringing no doubts to the surface whatsoever. The sister coin to the Hermitage ex-Tolstoy coin sits in my collection. This coin I was my lucky win at NY Markov auction: [perhaps sold by Hermitage as a double at the start of the last century] Apart from these two "ideal" pyataks, others are not known to me. All the other pyataks are their reflections, in their majority far from ideal, what still doesn't stop us from a pleasure of studying and collecting them. This coin is featured in my catalog of Elizabeth 1757-1762 (2, 5 kopecks) and Peter III 1762 (4, 10 kopecks). My original post was published in the topic "Ideal Collection" on Staraya Moneta: http://www.staraya-moneta.ru/forum/messages/forum14/topic22964/message1966201/#message1966201