Swedishcopper

On 4/25/2019 at 1:29 PM, extant4cell said:

Nice 1 kopeck! Thank you for sharing.

This is one of the nicest kopecks:

http://coins.su/forum/uploads/2010/02/03/post-2088-126520512566.jpg

The 1 Ore coins were a little bit heavier and wider, so, just as with 2 kopecks made from 2 Ore, 1 Ore were cut down in size from ~31mm to ~29mm and re-edged. But "blanks" made for 2 kopecks from 2 Ore were better heated and treated (possibly pressed before that), that resulted in very few coins keeping any signs from the original "under-coins".

I am not aware of other overstrikes of Swedish copper coins. Though, there were many speculations (started by Winkler and supported by Uzdenikov) that apart from large Avesta 5 kopecks of late 18th century (such as this one) :

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there were some earlier, smaller 5 kopecks made outside Russia, some possibly in Sweden. Here is one of such suspects:

http://coins.su/forum/uploads/2010/02/03/post-548-126520713604.jpg

The regular strike 5 kopecks were so light that had only about 1 kopeck worth of copper in them. There was too much temptation inside and outside Russia to use this fact into someones own advantage by forging illegal copies of these coins for circulation. Later most of such coins were destroyed at the mints by melting them. Some stayed in circulation and later were overstruck into 2 kopecks.

There were some regional types that were later ovestruck into regular Russian 2 kopeck coppers. For example this one ( Moldavo-valachsk coins 1771-1774 😞

http://coins.su/forum/uploads/2013/09/09/post-27191-0-09096600-1378744859.jpg

 

Here is an overstruck example under number 21, among other overstrikes into 2 kopecks:

 

http://coins.su/forum/uploads/2013/09/10/post-27191-0-57210500-1378786013.jpg

The design of Denga coins from 1730 and to 1754 has been influenced by Swedish emergency coinage and others, same with 1755 kopecks and with 1762 armature coinage...

http://coins.su/forum/uploads/2013/03/15/post-27191-0-91947500-1363355601.jpg

http://coins.su/forum/uploads/2014/05/09/post-27191-0-45205400-1399624205.jpg

 

http://coins.su/forum/uploads/2013/03/14/post-27191-0-51148600-1363266036.jpg

 

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There was also German influence, Dutch, etc, etc... in later years:

http://coins.su/forum/uploads/2013/03/17/post-27191-0-81555700-1363524323_thumb.jpg

http://coins.su/forum/uploads/2013/03/17/post-27191-0-69409900-1363526295.jpg

 

Thank you for sharing the information! Though for some reason i cannot see the pictures that you attached. Are they still available somehow?

Best regards, Olle 

Here is my coin, 1758, struck on 1 Öre SM 1731 (the year under is more visible in reality). Hope you enjoy it!

Hello!

Interesting. I can tell you that my 1 kopek/1 Öre SM also are cut pretty much alike the first of your here shown coins, and the extra 4 grams of copper were probably reused. Though I do not think that my specimen have a new egde, my memory tells me that it partly has the old edge from 1 Öre SM and the rest is just a plain, cut egde. But I'll check on that when I have access to my coin again!

Hello everyone, thank you for the response!

I do not have my overstruck coin at hand right now, but I'll try to show you a picture soon. Yes, the Swedish "Avesta 5 Kopek" of great interest for me, at the moment I have one 1787. For now I'm happy with that and focusing on getting a 2 kopek struck on a 2 Öre SM. A parallell to this coin also exists in the Swedish coin history. When Sweden began production of 1 and 1/2 Skilling in 1802, the old 1 and 2 Öre SM were devalued by 50% and an overstriking program took place, the 1 Öre SM were overstruck to 1/2 Skilling and 2 Öre SM to 1 Skilling. This took place 1802-05 in Avesta (1/2 Skilling were also struck on new planchets, though in Stockholm). However, there exists one known 1 Skilling struck on a English 1 Penny from 1797.

Do you experts from outside Sweden know any other coins struck on Swedish copper coins?

Hello everyone!

Very interesting coins, nice to see pictures of your specimens. Also I have one in my collection, 1757 struck over a 1 öre sm 1731. My specialist area is Swedish copper and just recently discovered these coins. I've noticed that in Brekke (1977) there is a 2 kopek struck at a Swedish coin, though not mentioned what type of coin. Closest to hand to assume because of the 1 öre sm it might be a 2 öre sm, though their weight is 28,3g, maybe also they were cut down. Does anybody know anything about that?