R606b Geneve (Soral)
1876
AR 
37mm 
Mintage: 75 pieces
Rarity: RR 
Engraver: Magnin

A relatively new edition to the collection. I do not see this medal often for sale.

I am unable to post anything but very small poor quality pictures for some reason, for example, for this post, I can only submit a picture that is less than 22.35kb. Because of this, I have a link to the picture. The posted picture below the link is the largest (size) this forum would allow. It rather defeats the purpose of showing a picture of a medal when the person viewing can't see detail. If anyone knows how to assist me with this issue, please do not hesitate.

Picture of R606b - Geneve 1876

3rd prize awarded at the 1893 Cantonal Schützenfest in Winterthur, Zürich.

The prize was awarded in an elaborate case with 10 gold coins, 6 Swiss 20 franc coins and 4 French 10 franc coins. The reason the French 10 franc coins were presented was because at the time there were no gold Swiss 10 franc coins minted.

On 5/30/2020 at 3:27 AM, Poise said:

Hello,

Thank you for your welcoming and also for the info! Congrats for the 1000th post to this thread!

The amount of wear on the striking end can be seen from the first photo, there is some flattening but not very important, which would imply either a short use on harder materials or longer use on softer ones (like paper). I see that the engraving on this item is done by hand (maybe Schuzengesellschaft was a misspelling?).

Interestingly, the iron body has some peculiar marks on two opposite sides. I think these may either come from forging the body, or from this die being held with a pair of tongs for striking something of harder nature (in the past the upper coin die was held with tongs while it was stricken with a hammer, in order to avoid injury if being directly held by hand).

 

 

 

I would think it was used for paper or leather, very unlikely to be used for metal. Regular dies were used for schützenfest medals. I would also be interested in seeing if they used the umlaut where required. It is unusual that there would be a misspelling especially that word although not unheard of. 

It would also be appreciated if you could show a couple more pictures including the end that would have been impacted to emboss the punch into the paper or other media. I would be interested as to the amount of wear on that end.

On a different subject, this is the 1,000th post of the Swiss Shooting Medals thread of this fine forum. Congratulations to everyone who has participated!    🙂

7 hours ago, Poise said:

Hello everybody,

As this is probably the biggest forum thread devoted to Swiss shooting medals to be found on the web, I'd thought I might show you a unusual item and also maybe get some info/expert opinions. Please check the attached pics. Looks like an iron seal matrix/die (face diameter ~28 mm), with German legend mentioning Schaffhausen and 'shooting competition' . Please check the attached pics.

I'd be grateful for any opinion or info you might have on this item, or similar ones you've found. Thank you!

 

 

Welcome to the forum. Your punch appears to say: Schaffhausen Schuzengesellschaft.  Strangely, it does not spell Schutzengesellschaft with a t as per usual, at least I can't see it. It would be helpful to have a picture of a piece of paper punched and then shaded in some way so we can see it clearly.

I doubt it is a die but rather some type of society punch/seal for paperwork of some type much like a corporate or notary seal. It is not dated which would also seem to corroborate the seal theory. The ram is indicative of the Swiss Canton of Schaffhausen.

And to answer your question, I have seen a couple of punches similar to this as well as medal dies.

8 hours ago, 49ermatt said:

Hi Rod,

Wow, I had no idea this was in the works.  I just ordered my copy of the catalog.  I also hope this increases the popularity of collecting these medals and allows more people to see the  beauty and artwork involved in the making of these shooting medals.

 

 

I think you are going to very happy that you made the purchase. While there are some additions and corrections the best way to describe this edition is that it is an "Enhanced Edition". Certainly, the Chinese translation will be a great asset to the Chinese speaking collector but for the German and English speaking collectors who already own the 2nd edition, I think this is well worth the cost of admission!

I recently received the new 3rd Edition Richter Catalog and am extremely happy to have this great book!

The catalog per Jürg Richter has approximately 200 additions/corrections throughout but the main differences this 3rd Edition has when compared to others is:

1. Languages: English and Chinese 

2. There is a generous Introduction including many illustrations about the history of Swiss Schützenfest. This portion is very well done!

3. At the beginning of each Canton grouping there is a page dedicated to the history of the Canton.

4. Next, after the Canton history, there are a couple of medals that are highlighted with allegorical and historical descriptions.

It is a wonderful edition and will in my opinion, increase the popularity of the hobby for English and Chinese speaking collectors because of the translations and the added histories. While the catalog is still just that, a catalog, the added histories, multiple historical pictures, Cantonal histories as well as the added information regarding the few medals at the beginning of each Canton group will enable the collector to gain added more knowledge and appreciation for this great field of collecting.

I believe that this same 3rd. Edition is available in German and Chinese translation but I have not spoken to Jürg directly about my assumption.

Price: 85 Euro

Here is the catalog page from the Battenberg Verlag site:

 Keh Wee Kwang | Jürg Richter | Marcel Häberling

Swiss shooting thalers and shooting medals

瑞士 射击 塔拉尔 钱币 和 射击 节 纪念章

 

Published by Battenberg Verlag

ISBN: 978-3-86646-193-2

Edition: 3rd edition 2020

Illustrations: colored throughout

Hardcover: 632 pages

Format: 23.5 x 28 cm

 

 

This book deals with the history as well as the historical background of the marksmen and marksmen medals of Switzerland.
Over 2500 thalers and medals from the beginning in the early 17th century to 1960 were listed in detail and the majority were shown. This book thus becomes an indispensable reference work when it comes to determining and evaluating marksmen and marksman medals in Switzerland. Now in the 3rd edition as a German-Chinese version!

 

 

I forgot to mention that the cigar cutter is 27.5mm in diameter and the weight is 14.2g

I recently got a new camera/lens, so the picture may look slightly better than previous ones.

1957 Luzern
R930b
XIII Federal Small Caliber Shoot
BR versilbert/BR silver plated
50 mm
Engraver: Paul Kramer, Neuchatel

RR

Actually, the Steulmann book you mention is 1 volume but there is another book. Attached are pictures for your reference for assistance in finding.

4 hours ago, 49ermatt said:

Hi all,

I believe these reference books are for German shooting medals, but does anyone know where I might be able to locate copies of these books:

 

Steulmann, Gert:  Die Schützenmedaillen und Abzeichen der deutschen und österreichischen Bundesschießen von 1861-1934 und 1880-1908. 

Slg. Peltzer, R.F.:  I. Freimaurermedaillen und -zeichen. II. Schießmünzen und Schützenmedaillen, Jagdmünzen und -medaillen. III. Verkehr. 

 

Thanking you in advance,

Stay safe and healthy everyone,

Matt

 

Hi Matt,

I have copies of both of the books you are looking for. The Peltzer is a single book and the Steulmann is a set of 2 books. They were not that easy to find as I remember. I have no reference for you to locate but will let you know when and if I find any copies.

Rod

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