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  1. This one? https://www.katzauction.com/lots/view/1-34J7LN/russia-4-kopeks-1796-antique-collector-copy I think I have something like that lying around.
  2. I was thinking that about the Crimean Kyrmis coins
  3. All the way back in 2008 I bought on eBay an object that resembles a Novodel of a 4 kopeck 1761 coin. This one: I actually posted here at that time - After scratching my head for a while I stuffed it into my safe deposit box and mostly forgot about it. It looks suspect but at the same time I like it. I don't have to be rational all the time Earlier today I was stuck for a few hours in a conference call which I was just listening in on, I felt I had time to also browse M-DV.ru. I was actually looking at some other copper coins of Elisabeth's period that I was trying to attribute to their respective mints. A bit later I grabbed my copy of the 2002 Diakov's catalog for Elisabeth's period. And flipping through the coppers I came across his description of the 1761 4 kopecks. He has 2 types listed and neither one is an exact match for my coin, although N570 is pretty close. Since I had M-DV.ru opened I looked through the auction records that they have accumulated over the years. Not sure if M-DV.ru even existed back in 2008 but, as of late, they have been scanning old auction catalogs which is pretty awesome! Now they have posted 57 listings for this type - https://www.m-dv.ru/catalog/page,1/id,4902/prohod.html The majority of the recorded coins fall into the 2 categories described by Diakov back in 2002. N569 features a larger St. George, with more ground under him on the obverse. The reverse, while pretty similar, has a few notable differences. Such as the tip of a 3rd pike or banner sticking out from under the folds on the right, and the 7 in 1761 seems to be a bit higher than the rest of the numerals: The N570 looks more like my coin, but not quite... Overall it has the same smaller St. George, and the position of the 7 in the date looks pretty similar to my coin. At the same time there are multiple variations. Just to list a couple, on obverse of N570 the second star from the left, next to the butt of the spear, looks upside down or rather it is pointing outward. On reverse of N570 there are only the two banners and no 3rd tip is poking out. N570: N569 and N570 comprise the majority of the 57 auction records, but not all! I also found a couple of other interesting variations: From Hans M.F. Schulman 1962 - https://www.m-dv.ru/catalog/p,255409/image.html You can see that while the obverse looks like that of N570, the reverse features the 3rd tip I was referring to above, but it is not the obverse of the N569 (note the position of the 7). Another one from a more recent auction with a better photo - https://www.m-dv.ru/catalog/p,125913/image.html And I did find a few records of coins that do indeed resemble mine. The second start looks upright, and there is a 3rd banner tip. Note however that on these coins some details are not the same as on any of the coins above. The tip of the 3rd banner is just a hint on these coins: https://www.m-dv.ru/catalog/p,34435/image.html https://www.m-dv.ru/catalog/p,258499/image.html And there is a coin that evidently just can't find a good home. NGC MS-62 graded coin that is first recorded in a Heritage auction in 2015, and has subsequently showed up in several auctions in Russia. https://www.m-dv.ru/catalog/p,128611/image.html https://www.m-dv.ru/catalog/p,138263/image.html https://www.m-dv.ru/catalog/p,210481/image.html https://www.m-dv.ru/catalog/p,245518/image.html https://www.m-dv.ru/catalog/p,288808/image.html
  4. Well done Sigi! You live you learn... Mine has 4 feathers, I'm guessing 5 feathers is scarcer?
  5. Eugene, you'll have to show me what specifically you are referring to. The SM discussion is heavily edited and I only skimmed through it. I do want to point out that there is a difference between the production equipment and the trial strikes produced during the testing of that equipment and the specimens that were produced by SPB for the regional mints. We see this difference with the specimens produced for the Tifflis and Moldavia mints as well.
  6. I saw this discussion on Staraya Moneta yesterday. And here today. I sort of think we're all getting trapped by our own terminology. What I (as well as everyone else) can tell from looking at these coins, is that they were definitely not struck at TM for circulation purposes. What Eugene pointed out as well as the documentation provided by the GĂ–TTINGEN universtity indicates that the coins were struck at SPB on or before 1787. Did the mint workers really care if they were making a coin as a specimen for a TM mint or for a private collector? My guess is not so much. So we can say that the same people using the some equipment at the same place and more or less at the same time period would have made practically identical objects to fill the official government and private orders. I don't think they particularly cared if these objects would be later referred to as Novodels or Specimens. And I don't know how to distinguish between the two.
  7. Allegedly there are known fakes: http://www.staraya-moneta.ru/forum/messages/forum3/topic24283/message205151/#message205151
  8. A 1706 gold Ducat was on sale - https://www.ebay.com/itm/RUSSIA-PETER-GOLD-ROUBLE-RUBEL-DUCAT-Fine-condition-but-very-rare-RR-/332937841599?nordt=true&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.m43663.l44720 Sold for a $1034, a bargain if a real coin, but is it?
  9. Just saw Eugene's post on Staraya Moneta, and rushed back here to congratulate Sigi with this amazing find! This coin has found a worthy owner, congratulations!
  10. That's really interesting! Thanks for sharing.
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