grivna1726

Same here. I usually never enter this forum because I thought it was US coins only and my interest is elsewhere. I intended to click on "World Coins" in the menu at the top left corner of the page, but accidentally clicked "Coins" (immediately above it) instead and then found this thread which needed something for 1726. As for so-called duplicate posting, I think the chronology is what is important, not the number of examples. So if different people post multiple coins each for 1712, that just makes it more interesting to see coins from different countries in the same year.

This is a magnificent example of a truly rare coin.

RUSSIA 1714-НДД (NDD) 1 kopek RUSSIA 1714 5 kopeks (Novodel - originals are great rarities)

Thank you. The coin has always been tough and hasn't gotten any easier in recent years. I understand and share your attraction to the coins of this period. The artwork is gorgeous, unlike the typically unimaginative and unattractive metallic trash in circulation today. The coins themselves are impressive examples of the diecutter's art and it is clear that they were designed and made with craftsmanship and pride.

Here you go...

Thanks bobh, my handle was chosen for these two coins.

Both previously posted to this board: Russia 1726 silver grivna (grivna = 10 kopeks) Russia 1726 copper plate grivna LINK to scale photo for copper plate

It's a Phrygian cap.

Thanks for the link, Bobh. I never noticed this before.

"Take me to your leader. I come in peace."

Thank you for your reply. This is a most impressive display, especially the cups which can easily stand on their own as works of art. Am I correct in thinking that the 2 cups which feature a standing bear as the stem are from Bern? I think the cups must be particularly rare and for so many to be present, this must be a highly advanced collection. My compliments to you (I assume these are yours) on a remarkable achievement. What is a "König" prize? A grand prize reserved for the "king" of shooting competitions?

Thank you for the information. According to Forrer, Eugene and Alfred Jacot-Guillarmond were watch case engravers (father & son) who resided in Le Locle. Together, they produced a medal struck at the works of Huguenin Freres in 1888, on the inauguration of a monument at Le Locle to Daniel Jean Richard (1665-1741) who was the founder of the Neuchatel watch industry (signed E. Jacot) Alfred also made a "Cantonal Rifle Meeting" of Vaud at Yverdon, 1899 (which sounds like another shooting medal). I notice that this company, like Holy Freres, were watch case manufacturers. Is this generally true of the engravers of shooting medals, or just a coincidence?

Very impressive! Only 7 examples in all metals! Now THAT is rare!

Money transfer by Western Union or Contact System (cheaper) is probably best. Suggest you send a private message or email to Antikvarius for instructions.

"Jacob Guillarmod" is not listed in Forrer (at least not that I can find). The Vaud fish on her chest is a nice touch as well (the one that didn't get away!)

Who is the engraver? I looked at the signature behind the woman but am having trouble making it out (A Jacob Guillamuad?). Lovely medal!

You won't regret the purchase. It's a wonderful book and a bargain at the asking price.

For example, a common 1818-ПС СПБ rouble, discussed HERE, is listed in Bitkin in UNC at $350, but the coin cited ("MS-63") just sold on ebay for slightly over $3000. This huge difference in prices says nothing about the value of the Bitkin catalog, but says a lot about how rapidly prices in the Russian coin market are changing.

Agreed. Note that the rapid rise in prices makes any catalog obsolete before it is even printed. In many cases, especially for rarer coins which do not change hands on a daily basis, values often can only be estimated by judging what other similarly rare coins have brought in recent sales. Value is determined when the coin is actually sold and in the case of rare coins at auction, market demand might cause that value to substantially exceed well-informed estimates. The value of the Bitkin catalog does not lie in having up-to-the-minute pricing information, because no catalog can deliver that.

I also purchased from Antikvarius. The books arrived FAST and the service was courteous and professional. I would not hesitate to buy from him again. I believe they are in USD. Prices are from 2003 & earlier, so are somewhat dated, but still valuable as a guide to relative rarity and values today. This is a superb work that is an extremely valuable contribution to Russian numismatic literature. The fact that it is bilingual (Russian and English) makes it especially valuable to those of us who are not native Russian speakers. I cannot say enough good things about this book and I am thrilled to have added it to my library.

Information from obtained from Forrer: Holy Freres (i.e. "Holy Brothers") was a firm which was established in 1893 at St. Imier in Switzerland. The brothers, Franz Holy & Jules Holy directed it. They were watch-case manufacturers & diesinkers. They eventually branched out into medal making. Forrer lists a number of medals and it appears the firm was most active in medal making from 1903-1911 (some medals are undated and might have been produced later).

But earlier you said: What has changed to make you think that copying and selling someone else's book might be legal? And how on earth could a bunch of images of each page be "handy" to find the individual listing you want? It sounds awkward, even painful to me. And why on earth would you pay more for some pirated CDs than what you claim you can buy the book for in Kiev ($50)? That seems (at least, to me) like an especially foolish and frankly, unbelievable purchase decision.

It does, thank you. This medal, and the others were purchased when I was not really fully settled on my collecting direction, buying lots of different things that appealed to me, but without any coherent sense of collecting pattern. I thought this might be a rare variety or even a pattern. I am somewhat disappointed to learn otherwise but I thank you for correcting my misunderstanding of the situation.

Really? Then why did you spend $65 for pirated CDs?

At $120, the book is an excellent deal. Once the remaining volumes are sold off, I expect its market value will climb well above that level. Even if you have it on CD, buying the physical book itself is a no-brainer.