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  1. another maritime assurer. This one struck in 1868 for `La Mer'
  2. this one was struck for the French maritime assurer `L'Eole'.
  3. i've finally managed to figure out my new scanner.....almost. Here's a relatively difficult to find silver jeton /medalet issued by the Lloyd maritime assurance syndicate in Marseille
  4. Ah.........THAT is a very good question.....not so sure that anyone has a definitive answer though.. Apologies in advance for my musings below: First, to give a little `lineage' to this: Damianus Krauwinkel was noted as a `master' rechenpfennigmacher in 1543. His passing was recorded in November 1581 Hans Krauwinkel I (the first) was a brother of Damianus. He became a `master' in 1562 and died in 1586 Hans Krauwinkel II (the second) was a son of Damianus. he became a `master' in 1586 and died in 1635 Egidius Krauwinkel was also a son of Damianus. he became a `master' in 1570 and died in 1613. In June 1583 Egidius was recorded as striking rechenpfennigs bearing a crowned French shield. After his brother HK II was appointed `master' in 1586, some jetons were struck bearing the signatures of both Egidius and HK. It could well be concluded that HK II also made use of dies produced by Egidius for his own issues (?). Kilian Koch is not cited anywhere until an entry in the Book of the Dead, dated12th June 1599, which noted the passing of his wife `Clara' and made mention of him as being a rechenpfennigmacher. Jetons attributed to him span 1587 -1594. As we know, he used the signature `CK' ......excepting those times when he clearly didn't . Now add into the mix a certain Conrad Koch, recorded in the Book of the Dead on 3rd July 1617 as `Spengler und Rechenpfennigmacher'. I have no idea as to whether KK was his son, or a cousin or a contemporary. However, jetons bearing the simple signature `CK' could possibly have been struck by either maker (?) The Schultzes (Hans I and his son Hans II) also produced jetons bearing a crowned French shield from their workshop in the early 1580's, but the design is slightly different to the one on the jeton in question (no collar). These were struck with both `Pietate et Iustitia' legend AND `Pietat et Iustitia'....... All of the foregoing could in theory have had `input' to the making of the pieces in question Mitchiner attributes the `Pietate' legend with the shield obverse and the two `figures' reverse to HK II and in 1588/9..... but there is no listing of the jeton with the reverse style / legend. If we could get an attribution for the two soldiers reverse we could probably gain more certainty as to the actual manufacturer. Hans Krauwinkel II and Kilian Koch both used the services of the Maler firm as engravers for their dies, so there are similarities to themes for some of their issues of the late 1580's. Both were involved with Franco- allegorical style jeton making Next, lets look at the Actual `french' jetons of the period that have relevance: Under Charles IX : `Pietate et Iustitia' (shield of France obverse). 1562 (Conseil du Roi) : two females 1563 (Chambre des Comptes) :two columns 1564 (Conseil du Roi) : King David 1564 (Chambre des Comptes) : `CC' / branches 1565 (Chambre des Comptes) : `CC' / cornucopia 1567 (Ville de Paris): Shield and columns 1568 (Chambre des Comptes) : Shield and columns 1574 dated (No department cited): `aut vinci aut mori' legend, but `horseman' depicted There are seven other types of regal jeton struck (general issues) with the Pietate legend and shield of france obverse but none with the `warriors'. Under Henry III : `Pietate et Iustitia' (shield of France obverse) 1574 dated (No department cited) : `aut vinci vos aut mori ' legend, but `horseman' depicted. The same reverse was also used that year with the Obverse legend Henricus III DG Fran et Pol Rex. That jeton was also dated. The regal jetons all appear to have been dated Not conclusive by a long shot, but it looks to me that a rechenpfennigmacher (probably either HK II or Killian Koch) got pretty good service from the the Malers for the engraving work done on the first jeton. Now i am compelled to dig out my own early jetons to see if I have any of the types in question.
  5. There are numerous variants of the `Pietate et Iustitia' jetons, struck since 1561. It is the shield obverse that Mitchiner attributes to the issues made under HK. I agree that the description `Citizen and Soldier' seems a bit odd when looking at that particular jeton. Mitchiner is disappointing for `detail', even though his tome on the medieval period is quite hefty. There is no jeton described in that particular tome that is a match to the one in the image. In addition, there is only one jeton listed in that tome with the reverse legend (Aut Vinci etc) but it doesn't remotely fit the bill. Mitchiner does however describe a jeton which does have the two soldiers and references Neuman 32206: Feuardent 2274-75 rev: on left, armed soldier holding spear, gallic cock by feet: on right, similar soldier, hound by feet. They both hold between them a plant tipped by a lis: above all a small shield bearing three lis. Thats as close as i can get....but the reverse legend for the one and only one mentioned bears the legend `Gallia Fortit'. The obverse names the Registrar for the Court des Monnoies.
  6. I have a copy, and a copy of the earlier catalogue (1986). They are great as `tasters' ....or `hooks'... providing insight as to the various subject areas and as to the depth of subject area. They got me hooked. CGB's catalogues (Jetons # I through to # XXII) are also excellent reference materials but the first 5 are now very difficult to get hold of in print form.
  7. This example was manufactured by Hans Krauwinckel between1588/9 (Henry III type- Citizen and Soldier reverse). The type prior to this had Justice, Mars, and Piety on the reverse, supposedly representing the three estates of the realm namely Justice, the Church (Piety), and the Nobility (Mars). The obverse had two columns surmounted by a crown with an `H` inbetween. The Charles IX variety had a double C between the pillars obverse. (Mitchiner cites `Barnard 1917 pl 9 no 106' for that piece - knowing your excellent researching prowess, you might just be able to unearth it but i'll have a look in CGB's jetons XX for it in any event ) added: sadly, nothing in jetons XX
  8. While there doesn't appear to be any `assurance' related items in this particular auction, there are some nice jetons de presence that are well worth a bid or three. However, I'm not sure i like the auction format being used. You submit a `bid sheet' via sixbid and the auction house then gets back to you telling you what you would need to bid to get the items. One had a start price of 10 euro, which struck me as being exceptionally low for the type. However after placing a bid on it (along with a few others) I was quickly advised by email that i had been outbid.......and that it would need a bid of at least 140 euro. Presumably if i placed a further bid at say 150 euro they would then get back to the person i'd outbid and tell them what they'd need to bid in order to outbid me.....and so on ad infinitum. It isn't quite the typical `electronic' auction that i've become accustomed to (and possibly spoilt by).
  9. I've a couple of these. here's one of them
  10. One of the harder ones to come by. Silver jeton /medal struck in 1862 for La Compagnie Francaise D'Assurances Maritimes.
  11. a few more from my collection This one is a nice original jeton engraved by Jean Bertrand Andrieu and struck in 1816 for the Compagnie D'Assurance Du Havre, This one was struck in 1836 for the maritime assurer `Havraise et Parisienne'. This one struck 1836 for the `Union des Ports', another maritime assurer.
  12. This jeton de presence was struck in 1914 for the directors of the `Compagnie de Vicoigne et de Noeux' (coal mining)
  13. not a shilling, but a sixpence (aka a `tanner'). The little brother of the Birmingham Workhouse shilling. This one is dated 1812.....wasn't Napoleon was getting his ass whipped in Russia at that time?
  14. Northumberland and Durham silver shilling
  15. Silver jeton struck for La Garonne, a French maritime assurer.