davebob

Another interesting fact for the whole series of 1/4 Ecu aux 8 L 1690 - 1693 with all the different ateliers there was only two varieties of which coins were struck on new planchets. One of them being the 1/4 Ecu aux 8 L 1692 9 rennes. Somehow do you think there is a chance someone made an error? Another interesting aspect my coin has a different crown then any other example i have seen. I have edited a picture so you can see clearly. The only other ecu coins i have seen with the same crown design is Louis D or gold coins.. many thanks

Frank, since we last spoke i have seen two seperate dealers in france both of which have produced books with 1693 1/4 Ecu aux 8 L listed. Also with the original figure of 36,000 examples. maybe the earlier copies dont include this information.... On this basis im now reluctant to submit the coin to PCGS in fear of it being a run of the mill coin in poor condition... anything to add?

For the three years this series was minted, from 1690 to 1693 49 varietys exist all of which are marked as - fr = flan réformé (reformed) there is just two years where its marked as (fn=flan neuf) (new) and only one marked fn which has recorded mintage; 1692 (9) Rennes - fn ( ? examples) 1692 (9) Rennes - fr ( ? examples) 1693 (0) Riom - fn (1,754 examples) 1693 (0) Riom - fr (11,380 examples) Considering my example shows no restrike evidence Is there a connection?? the fact one year before in 1692 they were minting coins in this design in Rennes on new planchets. Is it a mistake. Did someone just start minting 1693 coins with (9) Mintmark. Can i also conclude it most likely come from Rennes or Riom. As it appears these are the only two mints using new planchets for this series. You can see the mintage here for the 1693 (0) Riom - fn (1,754 examples) if my example isnt even mentioned is there a chance its unique?? 1/2 ECU aux 8 L Argent Poids officiel: 13,725 g 32 à 35 mm Gadoury:184

oh noooo just noticed this comparisson coin is a Demi-Ecu aux 8 L, 1er type (9) its infact is a 1/2 Ecu and not 1/4 Ecu. So that means that there is currently no other examples on the internet that i can find myself of the 1/4. Below is information from this website; http://www.albertis.fr/catalogue/index.html its shows no listing of the 1693 1/2 Ecu either. I 1/2 ECU aux 8 L Argent Poids officiel: 13,725 g 32 à 35 mm Gadoury:184 Valeur indicative en euros 1692 9 ? fr 50 100 280 1693 A 5.609 fn non coté 1693 A ? fr 50 100 280 1693 B ? fr 67 133 370 1693 D 52.447 fr non coté 1693 H ? fr 54 108 300 1693 I 2.448 fn non coté 1693 I ? fr 54 108 300 1693 L couronné 14.570 fn non coté 1693 M ? fr 58 117 330 1693 N 17.983 fr non coté 1693 O 4.743 fn non coté 1693 O 410 fr non coté 1693 P 28.837 fn non coté 1693 S couronné ? fr 58 117 330 1693 X ? fr 54 108 300 1693 Y 31.823 fr non coté fn=flan neuf - fr=flan réformé

OK so I have arranged an appointment with PCGS. I was trying to wait before becoming a member so I had a chance to accumulate more higher quality coins. It seems difficult to distinguish the grades at the higher end. Over the last six months I have had thousands of the same coin variety through my hands. Its been a long process and a steep learning curve. But I'm left with 40 ish coins I'm certain or I hope will score MS 60 or higher. And I'm a bit worried about coins grading lower than I expect. But I suppose that's part of learning. I have recently acquired a 150W strip light its amazing how much more you can see. I have read you need a consistent light source but not understood the importance. I'd imagine the trick is to only submit coins that even if they grade F they still carry a premium. As I said before I will add to this post the outcome for the coin in question. And my overall review and feedback for the service PCGS provides. Baring in mind ofcourse I'm a beginner. Thanks.

Thanks for your advice and help. When I receive the coin back from PCGS I will post the information here. Thanks.

A. Yes, its 28mm and weighs 6.6g!

Here is a list of threepence coins im looking to sell or exchange. Some are worn, more VF+ Some Uncirculated. All the coins are in 2x2 coin holders. If anyone is searching for any of these years feel to message. many thanks 1896 -1 1900 -1 1902 -1 1912 -2 1913 -5 1915 -3 1916 -11 1917 -12 1918 -12 1919 -8 1920 -3 1921 -5 1926 -7 (one example is exceptional) 1931 -5 ("most" after 31 are AU and higher) 1932 -4 1933 -11 1934 -6 1935 -1 1940 -1 1941 -2 1942 -2 1943 -2 1940 -1 1941 -2 1942 -2 1943 2 Any offers welcome!! i would be interested in swapping some of these coins for USA wheat pennies! or any coins suited for a fair exchange! PM for more information and photos.

Theres a picture in this post: French coin 1693 1/4 Ecu HELP PLEASE in Europe Started by davebob, 18 Jan 2013 1/4 Ecu 8L 1693 9 Rennes I cant upload more for some reason...

So mines better?

Hi the website below confirms what you say Frank! Any ideas where to find more information. Value?? http://www.albertis....ogue/index.html

Here is the only over coin I can find similar to mine. http://www.ma-shops.com/saive/item.php5?id=9614&lang=fr

Hi Frank, I had a look at a copy of the Gadoury. I found the coin listed as below. - 1693 1/4 écu aux 8 L (9) rf. 36,000 examples. And no other mention or note of 1693 1/4 écu aux 8 L (9) ------ examples. I think were looking at different books, mine was from the library so i dont have it to hand to confirm. Is this something suitable to send to PCGS in Paris? many thanks

Ah! Ok. Thankyou for clearing that up. So given the evidence, the comparison example has been 'restruck' from an earlier coin. And my example started life as a blank planchet in 1693. The fact that coins were restruck in this manner, surely There's no way of knowing how many of a certain variety still exist today?

Hi, If this example isn't a restrike! Can we conclude its an original! I would imagine that makes it considerably scarcer. Unless ofcourse its a fake. Thanks.