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Happy 2024.  Been a long time!   I am still above ground, so can't complain!

Hey that's a beautiful 1758!  Enjoy!

Beautiful!

Nope.  Need to have face book account.  I don't.  Only one on the planet without one.

Eagle side not working only date side

Picture links broken.

Won a nice 1802 KM 5 kopeck, (finally!l)  the one year type from another Katz auction.  All went smoothly with the shipping.

Hi Eugene!   I have not checked in here is some time!   Will try to be more active!   Only one or two new additions in the past year.  A nice 1718 altinnik via last years world wide auction.  

Now I have a friend for my 1718 1k.     

Hope all is well with everyone.    Not a Facebooker sorry.  But is there a way to lurk the group without joining?

Love that this thread is still going!    Nice discovery.

22 hours ago, sigistenz said:

I like yours, Josh. it is quite nice. Peter's features and everything else are distinct.  It has never been cleaned or doctored and sure would have a lot to tell. It might be an overstrike?

Sigi

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I was wondering about that myself.  The ghosted letters at the right of the portrait..  cant quite read it.

I win the ugly ruble war!

Ian, i will happily trade!  

12 hours ago, Ian said:

I guess beauty is in the eyes of the beholder  .

To me it looks like someone has dragged it through a hedge....more than once! Still, it is authentic and a collectable example of a scarcer type coin.

Ugly coins need love too!

https://coinsmoscow.ru/en__product__denga-1805-em-copper-copy/?catID=1288

1 hour ago, gxseries said:

I was googling about 1726 kopek and came across this thread.

 

I was actually looking for the 1724 kopek but am more than happy with this!

 

 

 

Terrific way to bring a thread back to life!  

Coins arrived!  Very pleased.    Pauls overstrike 1796 EM 5K  has clear  traces of \\\\\\\ edge  in 2 sections.   the rest is XXX.

I like a bargain, with overstrikes you can get 3 coins for the price of one, LOL.   

In hand, and in direct sunlight, the coins have much darker patina than the auction photos show.  I suspect photoshop correction to bring detail out, or some lighting conditions that distort color.   These pics were with my cell phone, in direct daylight.   

Katz emailed me with a tracking number today!

Really weird communication from those guys.  I get emails that are clearly from several different people, who dont seem to be in synch with each other.  They are obviosly working from different locations,  but they all use the same email addy.  All signed "katz auction team".   No names. 

Next update when they arrive!

All good to know.   It is the inability to confim my transfer, after 3 weeks, that has my attention.   I have confirmation the payment was completed to the correct account from the tranfer service on my end.     

I cant complain about shipping time until they confirm they got paid.  Then I wait again, then I hope they dont screw up shipping, then I can see if there are any fakes!

Looking back, theres only one that could be iffy.   I was outbid on the better of two 1810 KM 5K, so I bid on the lower grade coin, and got it.  I thinks its ok, but maybe cleaned and retoned.   Hard to tell from the pics. 

Hope to receive an ugly messy overstrike to show here, I think its interesting, but want to get it first and take my own pics, lol.

Thanks guys.  I will update here when I hear back.  They did reply, by email,, saying they would have their accountant look into it.  Not reassuring.

Anyone else have problems with Katz in Prauge not communicating?  Bought some coins from the recent Auction 35, and wired them payment.  They say they dont have it, its been 3 weeks.  They requested and I sent proof of wire transfer.  No response at all now.  First Auction with them.

Next step is to try a phone call.

That looks like the result of flaws in the copper from too much cooling from furnace to the next process.

It must have been very cold in Siberia that day.  (What are the odds?)  

Very cool overdate ☺️

Alex, perhaps you could send it to one of the grading services for authentication?  The last photo example above appears to be slabbed, and a good match.

Regards

On 5/18/2020 at 10:53 PM, IgorS said:

That's what I was asking - how were these dies cut so closely? The process of it, in your opinion. Otherwise all of it is just a speculation, like the words of Fuchs about diemaker's mission.

In any case - my question is hypothetical, no need to answer it.

I recommend to all a great book by Denis R. Cooper - The Art and Craft of COINMAKING, A History of Minting Technology, By Spink and Son 1988. The guy used to be a Chief engineer at the Royal Mint. Many things will fall into place. Collector's talks and fantasies are often quite different from the actual die and coin making technology at the different times in history.  

I wish Armen to sell the coin as it deserves and for seller and buyer to be happy.

Been looking for a copy of Coopers book for years.  One recently sold on vcoins for $450!  There is a 32 pg overview softcover out there, by Cooper, Coins and Minting, for $10.

Eugene, this is an exceptionally well written and presented thesis!  I am unable to find flaw with your conclusion!  Wow.

Armen, my humble appologies for my initial sarcastic reaction to your request for assistance!   It has been something quite special to watch this drama unfold here on the forum. (And as translated by google on the Russian forum)

Regards, and please continue to update us on the story of this coin.