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bobh
I just hate it when a reputable dealer with good feedback puts coins like
this in eBay starting at EUR 1. shout.gif Looks like an altered date (1885 -> 1894) and/or MM to me:

L I N K to eBay item

Anyone else have some solid evidence that this is an altered coin? E.g., mintmark removal? Pictures are far too small for me to tell, but maybe someone knows other diagnostic markings that would indicate this is not a genuine coin.

We should try to warn the dealer before it is too late!
jtryka
It looks like an altered date to me, as the 9 looks way off and the 4 looks odd, though it could be an altered 1904 as well. I have no solid evidence that it's not genuine, though I wouldn't bid more than $8 for it.
Brett
If you could get a close up pic of the reverse genuine 1894's have a heavy straight die gouge in the crook of the eagles left foot.

And the date doesn't look anywhere near real.
bobh
Thanks, Brett. I have sent the seller a message requesting larger pictures of the areas you mentioned.
bobh
And here are some slightly larger pictures sent by the seller of the date area and of the lower reverse:
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Dockwalliper
Removed mint mark?
bobh
Perhaps ... that might explain the gouge over the "D" in DOLLAR ...
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... Do you see any other indications of a removed MM?
Dockwalliper
Maybe I'm just seein things......

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sbvenman
If this coin is counterfeit, the seller probably isn't aware of it. His feedback history is great having only one negative score. I found the dialogue of this feedback and using google translator could translate it.

Disgruntled buyer:

Münze war lackiert. War so nicht angegeben. Hätte ich auf Scan erkennen müssen ?

---Coin was painted. Was not indicated so. Would I have had to recognize it on Scan?

Reply of Seller:

Dem Kunden ist die Rücknahme angeboten worden, er wollte sie aber behalten!!!

---The cancelling was offered to the customer, he wanted to however keep it!!!

If the coin is counterfeit after you buy it, the seller may be willing to cancel the sale. I don't know much about coin alterations, especially Morgans, but this seller seems reputable and may understand a cancelled deal. Just my two cents. (pun unintended)

-Scott
Mark Stilson
QUOTE(Dockwalliper @ Mar 27 2006, 03:29 PM)
Maybe I'm just seein things......

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Well, I'm seeing the same thing.
Burks
Looks pretty clear to me, altered mint mark.
stu62
Correct me if I'm wrong. Every altered coin I've ever seen was also cleaned to hide the evidence.
bobh
QUOTE(Dockwalliper @ Mar 27 2006, 03:29 PM)
Maybe I'm just seein things......
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[right][snapback]190369[/snapback][/right]
Dockwalliper, you have much better eyes than I do! hi.gif
Thanks! biggrin.gif
Dockwalliper
Someones willing to take the chance....bid is $122.
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