I know how rare commemorative rubles can be, but the price is going too excessive!!!

If you are the highest bidder in this link, please remove your bid as I am sure it is a sad counterfeit unless someone believes it's a genuine coin.

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Sorry, I cannot do much as the bids are made private.

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That's just unbelieveable! People will just throw their money away and getting a worthless (and ugly) piece of crappy metal. Look at this. Another clear fake, luckily no bids.

There's not much you can do. The best way is to know your collecting area well and encourage others to study too.

HI again .. try Diakov's books, Brekke or Uzdenikov for reading pleasure.. the biggest red flag on fakes is "BUYER I D KEPT PRIVATE" .. The journals of the Russian Numismatic Society are excellent .. they update known forgeries often. Brekke's 1997 supplement has most fakes up to that time ... P S ..I know a dealer who spent $ 500 for a plate kopek .. I showed him two like it under $ 5.. mike

Im not sure if this applies, but without a crappy auction like the one above....I dont think that Bobby or I would be apart of this forum. The main reason he got into collecting again was winning a crappy auction also. You live and you learn. And because of that auction we got on this forum and have learned so much and have met alot of really great and honest people.

$500 for a plate kopek would be the deal of a lifetime, like buying early US gold coins for face value or less.

SORRY I WAS UNCLEAR .. THE PLATE KOPEK WAS A FAKE .. A BAD ONE AT THAT ..

On the contrary, you were quite clear. I understood that the kopek plate was fake.

Real original kopek plates are so exceedingly rare that there is almost no chance of ever seeing (except in books) a real one. $500 is a joke for such a coin. Even a hundred times that is probably too little.

That dealer has as much hope of buying a genuine kopek plate for $500 as he does of buying genuine 1804 dollars in China at face value.

I give up.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...item=8389094772

Anyone that buys such coins should order such coins from East Europe or China private counterfeiting "specialist" company. That should do the job.

Or rather, I am more than tempted to start one, and sell it at a price called, metal bullions + shipping.

Maybe I should bid on that, after all it's from British Columbia not China, so it must be real.

Hey, it's ebay. Where else can you buy an ~ $10,000 coin for only $142.50 + shipping?

Vancouver, unfortunately, has a number of moral-less dealers (both antique shops and online) who import fakes (coins, antiques, and otherwise) for sale.

I cannot help saying, that if I owned such a "counterfeit" ring, I would be rich now

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...item=8396340526

A NEW RECORD!!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...item=8431945009

That's as fine a selection of fakes as one could hope to find.

Not surprisingly, it's a "private auction".



Notice the 2 1766 pattern rubles. The 1766 pattern is extremely rare. GM knew of 2 examples, one in the Hermitage collection, the other in the collection of Count Uvarov. There are no known novodels (i.e. official restrikes made in the Russian mint) of this coin.

There's also the extremely rare 1827 pattern ruble. There were some novodels made from the original die (once tempered) in smooth and lettered edge varieties about 1880. It is not known how many were struck, but even the novodels of this coin are very rare and seldom seen.

But you can supposedly buy such astounding rarities on ebay (with over 70 banknotes and 36 other coins thrown in!!) for only GB £122.99 (Approximately US $227.33).

I especially like the euphemism in the description: "All are in great condition, sold as seen on the scans, probably novodels..."

Yeah, you bet they are ... in the literal meaning of the word NOVODEL!

This seller also offered several of the pieces individually over the past few weeks and got very good prices.

The seller may actually be in the UK although others selling similar items are sometimes based in Belarus; austseller 123, for example, claims to be in Australia but the e-mails are from Minsk.

RWJ