She fits so ever nicely into my personal collection.
Full Version: Manchurian Doubled Die - BIG TIME!
This is a SWEET Chinese - Manchurian Province Doubled die that just blew my socks off when I saw it on eBay weeks ago! I don't have the KM# or the Y# for it right now (at work), but I do have access to the pics and well, I know you guys like pics....as do I! LOL So without any further adu I present unto you the SWEET doubled die (Sweet is said like the dude in the Dodge Hemi Commercials....LOL)
She fits so ever nicely into my personal collection.
She fits so ever nicely into my personal collection.
That's one of the most obvious doubles I've ever seen. Really neat.
*very* tasty. Surely others exist.
holy crap i'm getting motion sickness from that coin
WOW that's something I rarely come across. Well done!
That thing makes me dizzy.
Yeah you look at it long enough it makes you double check your vision. Atleast it does on me.
Thanks for the compliments. AAnd just a curiousity......there's such a thing as double eagles......is this a double dragon then? LMAO
Thanks for the compliments. AAnd just a curiousity......there's such a thing as double eagles......is this a double dragon then? LMAO
Even the denticles are offset to the right, could this possibly be a double strike rather than a doubled die?
QUOTE(BiggAndyy @ Dec 19 2005, 05:39 PM)
Even the denticles are offset to the right, could this possibly be a double strike rather than a doubled die?
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hmmm I see what you mean and good eye...but the other side is fine, how can you get a one-sided double strike? Are the denticles on the hub?
A loose hammer die and the coin set straight on the anvil die for the second strike?
That is just weird. 
Yep!! Thats a COOL one!!, Maybe the press operator hit the pipe to much that day.......
QUOTE(syzygy @ Dec 19 2005, 04:57 PM)
hmmm I see what you mean and good eye...but the other side is fine, how can you get a one-sided double strike? Are the denticles on the hub?
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Oh, but this is NOT a doubled strike or a MDD. This is a true to form DOUBLED DIE. This is where the working die was given one initial impression, and then found to be not good enough to strike coijs with yet, and they rehubbed it. So the Doubling will be on EVERY coin that is struck by that die. Which means that whenever someone noticed, at the Chinese mint that this die was doubled and then usually removed this fubar, and pulled the die, any coins that die struck will show the doubling. And the total number of this variety will be dependant upon upon when someone finally decided to pull the die from use. I'm REAL groggy, so if none of this makes sense, I APPOLOGIZE WHOLE-HEARTEDLY!!!
QUOTE(dacoinman @ Dec 20 2005, 01:28 PM)
Oh, but this is NOT a doubled strike or a MDD. This is a true to form DOUBLED DIE. This is where the working die was given one initial impression, and then found to be not good enough to strike coijs with yet, and they rehubbed it. So the Doubling will be on EVERY coin that is struck by that die. Which means that whenever someone noticed, at the Chinese mint that this die was doubled and then usually removed this fubar, and pulled the die, any coins that die struck will show the doubling. And the total number of this variety will be dependant upon upon when someone finally decided to pull the die from use. I'm REAL groggy, so if none of this makes sense, I APPOLOGIZE WHOLE-HEARTEDLY!!!
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No need to apologize. What you describe agrees with my general understanding of hub doubling. Where the 'hub die' refers to the die that is used to make the 'coin dies'. The 'coin dies' are used to strike the blank planchets to make the actual coins. So, if the hub die strikes twice (with some kind of offset), the resulting 'coin die' will have doubled features and produce coins with doubling.
That's why I asked if there were others out there - I would expect some other identical coins to be out there (it's possible that none survived etc...)
So, the denticles are actually on the 'hub die' and not part of the collar assembly? I guess they would have to be - huh?
In any event, a very spectacular piece.
Yup, the denticles are part of the die and not the collar. And I have talked to another World Doubled Die collector, and he claims to have a couple of these that he has grabbed over the years. So, they are out there.
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