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detz
Here we go! wink.gif

1.) I'm new, what's the easiest most cost effective way to start? Should I pick one part of coin collection and "master" that, learn everything there is to know about it and slowly move on?

2.) Good books to read on common coins.

3.) I have bullion...and now I want to sell it off and get coins instead but if I sell them on ebay I will actually loose money(sell for less than they are worth if I melt them) because of fees, any ideas on how to dump the gold?

4.) Is there a central site or sites that I can check prices to see if something is a good deal or if I'm getting ripped off, what's the best way to avoid being taken for a ride?

Gold really intrests me so I was thinking of collection old gold coins. Any additional information would be appreciated, thanks! ok.gif
Tiffibunny
Welcome detz.

1. Learning is the way to go, especially if you are interested in gold. As far as cost effective all you can do is research dealers to see who may have the best deals on what you're looking for.

2. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...=glance&s=books
The US Redbook is a good all around book for US Coins. Someone else may know of some good ones for gold.

3. I'll defer to others on this one.

4. To avoid being taken for a ride requires patience and research. There's no real site I can think of that can tell you exactly what prices are, there are sites and books that are general but most people use Ebay and greysheets for current market prices.
Ętheling
QUOTE(detz @ Sep 7 2005, 06:44 PM)
Here we go! wink.gif

1.) I'm new, what's the easiest most cost effective way to start?  Should I pick one part of coin collection and "master" that, learn everything there is to know about it and slowly move on?




Just to clarify to ensure i am answering your question here, are you asking if it's best to specialise in one area of the coin world?

If i've got this right then well i can offer some advice here. There are many types of collectors out there, two main heading you might come across are 'generalists' (who buy coins they like the look of regardless of what it is), and there's 'specialist' (people who focus on one or a select few areas instead).

Although due to one thing and another, whether it be availability, time, finances or space to store them, all collectors have to draw the line somewhere. So all collectors specialise in one way or another, even if the specialism is in 'coins they like the look of'.

From the information provided so far, you say you might be interested in gold coinage, which is on the road to specialisation itself (as non-gold is eliminated) this is a good thing if it's what you want because it helps give your future collection an overall focus and pattern to it.

The next questions i would have to ask you any country in particular you'd like to focus on? Or perhaps one gold coin from each country? And how far back do you want to go with this gold coinage? (Ancient, medieval, early modern, modern)?

All thoughts to consider.

Another piece of advice it might be worth looking around on websites (through regular google searches) to see what is available out there and see if anything catches your eye.

There are many gold coin denominations in existance; Double Eagles, sovereigns, guineas, 20 franc, Ducats, Nobles, Aureus, Louis d'Or, Unites... The list is probably quite endless...

Ętheling
Last note; Look around at what's available, do some background research. (That includes asking on here), say you take a shine to French 20 francs or something and you need to know more. Members on here could give you some collecting tips, some history on the pieces and point you in the direction of a good book on the subject and or price guide, if applicable.
detz
I love the double eagles, old(1800s) gold US coins I really like but they are $$$$! What I might do is start with silver morgans and treat myself to one gold coin a year. smile.gif Just a quick look on ebay and prices range from $500 to $127,000 for the eagles, ouch! Then you get into condition, some rated, some not and the prices change by a lot. Would you recommend I go with already graded coins or mix them up and try to get them graded myself(which seems expensive too).
Ętheling
You know as much as i love the Double Eagles myself (especially the liberty coronet head types) i think it might be worth your while considering European gold coinage. You can buy late 1800s and early 1900s stuff (real gold coinage) for close to bullion price.

For $127,000 you could have a full date run of British sovereigns from 1900-1932 in EF.
gxseries
Hm, I really wonder why no one mentioned this yet. Picking up a Krause might help if you are into world coins. smile.gif That will solve 3 out of 4 questions there.

About bullions, the fact is, not too many people are willing to pay 100% of the current market value price! Suppose if gold is around 400USD per ounce, you might expect around 380USD or so. Do expect silver to be worse off, unless you have large 10+ oz. silver bar, which is another story.
detz
QUOTE(Ętheling @ Sep 7 2005, 01:27 PM)
You know as much as i love the Double Eagles myself (especially the liberty coronet head types) i think it might be worth your while considering European gold coinage. You can buy late 1800s and early 1900s stuff (real gold coinage) for close to bullion price.

For $127,000 you could have a full date run of British sovereigns from 1900-1932 in EF.
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Only $127,000? shok.gif sorry.gif grin.gif

gxseries
You can buy a house with US127,000 in some countries... bleh.gif
Ętheling
QUOTE(detz @ Sep 7 2005, 07:31 PM)
Only $127,000?  shok.gif  sorry.gif  grin.gif
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I lied, British sovereigns sell for about $120 in EF.

So realistically you'd be looking at $4000 for a full set (ignoring mintmarks). That better? biggrin.gif
gxseries
AEtheling, did you try to scare newbies away so that you can keep them away from raising the prices?

bleh.gif So mean bleh.gif
Ętheling
Nothing so cruel GX afterall i don't collect sovereigns (anymore). biggrin.gif

Compare it with how much it'd cost to get a full set of US $10 pieces from the same era in EF. $4000 wouldn't even be close!

US gold coins are VERY expensive in comparison.
gxseries
lol @ (anymore). Yes, I must agree that it's a lot cheaper compared to trying to collect the whole set of US gold coins smile.gif

That is one reason why I haven't even touched a single gold US coin... just in case it becomes highly addictive sad.gif
detz
I think I like the US market because I know the coins...well, they make sense. When you get in Europe there are lot more coins, older coins, and I know nothing about them. I guess this is half the fun though, right? smile.gif

I read in another thread about really old coins...someone had a picture of en egyption coin or something. How rare/expensive are these?
Ętheling
Dunno i haven't see that one! (I don't read everything on here!)


Unfamiliarity with foreign coins can be daunting, but it can be fun too...

At one point the only coins i would collect were British. Now i seem to spend more time buying French, German and US coins!


Really old coins? There's a few ancient coin collectors on here, and i'm known for my medieval coin obsession! biggrin.gif

Trantor_3
there are ancient coins that are extremely expensive, there are also ancient coins that you can get for only a few dollars, if not less.

I have a roman coin that's about 1600 years old and I got that asa "free" extra in a lot of "unsearched" coins at ebay. I payed about $10 for the lot, so this roman coin can't be worth a lot
Ętheling
Roman coins are good value for money. I favour the silver ones myself.
Brett
Another option to look at is if your local dealer will trade coins for the bullion you currently have. You may be able to work out some kind of deal. It wouldn't hurt to at least ask.
28Plain
Brett's suggestion is a good one. Offer to pay a local dealer in gold instead of paper. Tell him you'll pay in bullion coins at spot for his stated asking prices, no haggling. A dealer's markup is going to be better on most of his coins than his margin on buying bullion, so don't fall for any sob stories.

Stay away from ebay until you know the venue and the market a whole lot better. You can buy coins from members here once you get to know us. Ask questions and you'll usually get some useful answers.

Those are my suggestions.

Welcome to the forum.
Monster110
Hey detz. Welcome to coin people.
In my opinion, you should start on a common coin type.
for example, US nickels :smile.gif: , pennys, quarters or dimes.
Or a coin coin from where you are.
detz
You guys only deal with coins...I have about 500 $2 dollar bills, some old, some new, some in order. I was thinking of selling these off and get coins instead, bills are boring. smile.gif Any ideas on this?
detz
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bobbycoin
QUOTE(detz @ Sep 8 2005, 06:29 AM)
You guys only deal with coins...


Incorrect... Notice we have a Banknote Forum wink.gif

QUOTE
I have about 500 $2 dollar bills, some old, some new, some in order. I was thinking of selling these off and get coins instead, bills are boring. smile.gif  Any ideas on this?
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Depending on the date... condition... and a few other things, you might be able to sell them in the advertising section of the forum here. Any of them Star Notes?

Also you could get in contact with MrMcDoo, he is the resident Note expert.

Oh and banknotes are not boreing... you're just looking at US bills wink.gif

-Bobby
Burks
QUOTE(bobbycoin @ Sep 8 2005, 10:55 AM)
Oh and banknotes are not boreing... you're just looking at US bills wink.gif

-Bobby
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I agree with Bobby on this one. Before I cam here I was mainly a coin collector and nothing else. After seeing some of the notes offered for sale here and checking out various member's websites, the note collection has expanded. Before I had maybe two or three different countries but now I am approaching thirty.

There are some wild notes out there. Check out McDoo's website along with San Miguel98's. Both contain LOTS of banknotes.
Sir Sisu
QUOTE(Burks @ Sep 8 2005, 07:17 PM)
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There are some wild notes out there. Check out McDoo's website along with San Miguel98's. Both contain LOTS of banknotes.
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Do not forget OmniCoin's sister site banknotebank.com
Sir Sisu
QUOTE(detz @ Sep 7 2005, 08:44 PM)
Here we go! wink.gif

1.) I'm new, what's the easiest most cost effective way to start?  Should I pick one part of coin collection and "master" that, learn everything there is to know about it and slowly move on?



If you plan on going gold, I would answer yes.

QUOTE(detz @ Sep 7 2005, 08:44 PM)
2.) Good books to read on common coins.


For such a general statement, I would have to answer the Standard Catalogue of World Coins.

QUOTE(detz @ Sep 7 2005, 08:44 PM)
3.) I have bullion...and now I want to sell it off and get coins instead but if I sell them on ebay I will actually loose money(sell for less than they are worth if I melt them) because of fees, any ideas on how to dump the gold?


I concur on the local coin dealer suggestion. If one is not near, then perhaps a jewelry shop.

QUOTE(detz @ Sep 7 2005, 08:44 PM)
4.) Is there a central site or sites that I can check prices to see if something is a good deal or if I'm getting ripped off, what's the best way to avoid being taken for a ride?


Sites exist, but it would depend on what specific area you are looking at.

QUOTE(detz @ Sep 7 2005, 08:44 PM)
Gold really intrests me so I was thinking of collection old gold coins. Any additional information would be appreciated, thanks!  ok.gif
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You mention that you have bullion. So is your reason for aiming at gold coins partly related to an investment/savings goal? If so, I would highly reccommend starting in the non-US field. There you can find lots of appealing gold coins for a little above spot value. US gold has a lot of added "collecter" premium to them.


Welcome to the boards! smile.gif
Burks
QUOTE(Sir Sisu @ Sep 8 2005, 04:18 PM)
US gold has a lot of added "collecter" premium to them.
Welcome to the boards! smile.gif
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Very much so. Similar coins with the same weight and production number, the U.S. coin will sell for a higher price. That's one reason U.S. coins are a turn off to me any more, especially gold.
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