The most recent WWC mail-bid auction (Jim Elmen) ended yesterday, May 15. Does anyone know approximately how long it usually takes them before results are released? I bid on a few items myself ... but I'd be especially curious to know how high the Sestroretsk rouble went (this was NOT one of the items I bid on, BTW).

The results will be available on Monday.
I think Sestroretsk rouble went for $85K.
The results of this auction will make many collectors run to their safe deposit boxes and to consign their coins to an auction.

Thanks, IgorS!

That's not really so high considering some of the PR in the Hess-Divo auction 306! I expected at least $100,000 for such an important and rare coin. About a year or maybe 1-1/2 years ago, there was a UBS auction where a Nicholas II 37-1/2 rouble gold coin got more than that ($90,000 I believe) ... and they appear much more frequently than the Sestroretsk rouble (about three times as many were struck, too).

If it hadn't been a mail-bid auction, but live floor bidding, I think testosterone and/or adrenaline might have driven the price much higher...

Interesting to see the price for small copper coin in Proof Lot.294 2 kopecks 1853 BM

OK ... there was no live bidding; it was a mail-bid auction.

I bid on some items. Mr. Elmen has a deposit on my bids. So why am I still in the dark, yet I have received two responses from others so far who seem to be better informed?

I thought about calling them, but what if everybody did that? So I shall wait patiently...

It is two different groups of the coins 37, 5 more for investors. I believe Sestroretsk Rubles Novodels known 50 struck by mint, and less then 20 coins in privet hands,
Only one "problem" with Sestroretsk Ruble it is very heavy coin around 1 kilogram.

This is the reason i dont have one in my trays...

$25,000 at a guess

more than $100,000 for sure.....

Anybody know the record price for a russian copper? (yes, yes, I know I should )

This shortage of reinforced heavy duty trays is crimping a lot of people's collecting style.

One Hundred Billion Dollars! (Where's the Dr. Evil emoticon when you need one?)

ps We know the suspicious 1787TM 2K in Aalborg IV went for $138,000.

Gasp!

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$110,000

Wow. Thanks Igor. Good call oldman.

Estimate was $1,500.

Next step will be like add in Newspaper
"EXCHANGE NICE PROOF COIN OF WARSHAVA MINT FOR NICE HOUSE ON THE MANHATTEN BEACH"
or"EXCHANGE NICE HOUSE ON THE MANHATTEN BEACH FOR PROOF COIN OF WARSHAVA MINT "

Steve
Coin listed by Bitkin R3 .Interesting how many coin 2k 1853 BM do you have in your database?
Thank you,Rarenum
PS: My guess was $25,000-$30,000 before Auction end

(1) Tolstoi Sale (1913) Lot 2226 (illustrated). 190 Marks for the 1853 Set (most of that price is undoubtedly for the 2K).
(2) Klingert Sale 1910. Lot 2808 (if I'm reading the catalog correctly). 10 Marks.
(3) World Wide May 2008

Haven't seen any others yet though I haven't gone through the Ekaterina catalogs fully.

Steve

I have for Klingert 16 Marks in hand writing .
I will check Ekaterina today

Thanks

Funny you mention a 1853 2 kopek Rarenum. Steve, do you have a picture comparison of a EM and a BM 2 kopek? Just happens that I have one 1853 2 kopek but the mintmark is not visible due to corrosion. (chances are it's a EM)

Just coin I'm interesting in ,but not for $110 grand .
Rarenum

Hi gxseries. The 1853BM 2K is the $110,000 coin that appeared at World Wide this week for the first time since 1913 (that I know of).
They're _extremely_ rare. The world-wide coin is the first high-quality image I have of one, so I will post the BM and EM side by side when I get a chance.

Steve

I was surprise coin was missing in Blank Collection.

190 Marks in 1913 is about equivalent to $2,500 today (by the consumer bundle metric).

Steve

This is the coin that I have:



The thing is that the variety does not match from what I have seen in molotok and conros for EM 2 kopek although I have only seen two different varieties so far that is decent enough for comparsion. One is for the digit "2" for 2 kopek and the other variety is the "1" for 1853.

http://www.molotok.ru/item357074586_2_kop_1853_g_em.html

http://auction.conros.ru/clAuct/15/0/6/0/asc/

Mind you, this coin was really hopeless last year and the entire surface was covered in crust. Even the digit "2" wasn't really visible like in current state right now. I just pulled out from the "cleaning" process that it was in for the past few months. (oh the horror)

Here is a larger image: http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/9195/18532kfus3.jpg

Very hard to identified coin in poor condition.

Steve,
Check all #18-39 and 41-52 ,no records for 2K. 1853 BM.
Rarenum.

Very interesting!

Im also curious as to the results. Does Elmen mail out results only to lot winners? With no website, how does WWC usually do this?

I bid on a few lots, but doubtful i will not be outbid on any of them.

He used to snail mail a hard copy of the prices realized out after the sale. I don't know if that is his current practice.

OK ... here are the items I need to know about. If anyone has any prices realized for these items, please post it here:

Lot #242: 4 kopeks 1762, B-12
Lot #312: Gold 10 roubles, 1909, EF
Lot #313: Gold 10 roubles 1910, AU/UNC
Lot #314: Gold 10 roubles 1910, UNC
Lot #511: Beard token, 1705, B-3
Lot #532: 5 kopeks 1727-KD, B-29
Lot #553: Baroque kopek, 1755, B-45
Lot #554: Baroque kopek, 1756 (B-51)
Lot #559: Silver 5 kopeks, 1759-SPB
Lot #565: 10 kopeks 1762, B-15
Lot #566: 10 kopeks 1762, B-17

Thank you!

# $
Lot #242: 850.-
Lot #312: 1450.-
Lot #313: 3750.-
Lot #314: 4200.-
Lot #511: 6250.-
Lot #532:4500.-
Lot #553: 2250.-
Lot #554: 3300.-
Lot #559:900.-
Lot #565:1300.-
Lot #566: 3700.-

Thank you!

Bob, are you smiling because you won? or because some coins you already have just got a whole lot more valuable?

Well, it looks like I probably won the 1909 10 roubles ... won't know for sure, I guess, until Mr. Elmen has notified me.

Congrats!

Congrats seconded!

Any chance to see photos of these coins online somewhere? And what news of that 1853 2 kop BM (proof, was it)?

No, unless winner scans and posts (or someone scans the catalog).

1853BM...$110,000. We were discussing it at length earlier in the thread but perhaps it's not obvious that's what we were talking about.

I won 2 lots, both silver Mining Ingots missing from my collection, so not everything is going back to mother Russia (or mother Switzerland in Bob's case ).


Steve

Steve,
Congratulations .
You have started collect silver Ingots??

Alexbq2 just out from "rare edge” discussing on two forums, so it takes time to read earlier discussing in topic.

Rarenum

I read that a couple of days ago it totally slipped my mind.

Thanks. Yes...ingots.... As you know, there are some special pieces of silver tucked away in the darker corners of my trays. And besides, I don't have any more space for plate Grivnas so I didn't even bid on the two in this auction.

It's mine now ... got the confirmation today by e-mail. Whoopeee!
(...well, I still have to pay for it ... then it will be mine )

Congratulations Bobh .

Does anyone have a picture of the 1853 BM 2 kopek? Quite curious whether mine is anywhere close to the rare BM 2 kopek as it doesn't match the EM 2 kopeks varieties I've seen so far.

Yes. I have the illustration from Ekaterina 26. I am not presently set up to
post pictures to the newsgroup but could send you the jpeg privately if you
send me an e-mail address via PM.

There are some slight differences between the BM and EM coinages of that
year, which is to be expected as each mint had its own hubs for making dies.

RWJ