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sylabyss
Hi guys new to forum.
Was wondering what anyone thought about these coins ?
I'm selling them online and i don't want to rip anyone off . Do You think they are authentic ?

http://thriftdrop.com/DSCN6445.JPG
http://thriftdrop.com/DSCN6446.JPG

http://thriftdrop.com/DSCN6447.JPG
http://thriftdrop.com/DSCN6448.JPG

http://thriftdrop.com/DSCN6459.JPG
http://thriftdrop.com/DSCN6460.JPG
gxseries
Welcome to coinpeople sylabss. hi.gif

They look ok to me, don't see them as possible fakes unlike 10 ruble coins where a lot of high quality counterfeits are noted. I would however wait for another opinion to see if they agree with mine.

Cheers.
sylabyss
Just curious . Do early Russian gold coins have lots of defects ? (weak strikes, missing parts of letters or designs, Cracks in coins?) Just seems like the rest i have ,either have some sort of printing flaw or not clean strikes .Unlike American or British coins.?
Heres another i have with weird defects on coin


http://thriftdrop.com/DSCN6461.JPG

http://thriftdrop.com/DSCN6462.JPG
bobh
You should weigh these coins and tell us what the weight is of each one. Also, pictures of the edge with mintmaster initials would be good.

It's hard to say if the irregularities, mostly around the rims, are from weak striking or perhaps from mount repair. These coins were often used in jewelry, which is reason enough to look at the edge.
sylabyss
Ok here are the pics of the mint marks

1898
4.3 Grams
http://thriftdrop.com/DSCN6473.JPG

1898
4.3 Grams
http://thriftdrop.com/DSCN6474.JPG

1897
4.3 Grams
http://thriftdrop.com/DSCN6476.JPG

bobh
Well, I am suspicious of the first coin ... if it is genuine, then it appears to have had some kind of mount repair or damage done to the edge at 10 o'clock on the obverse. The lettering appears generally somewhat mushy compared to genuine coins. This is especially strange considering that the hair is so detailed; usually the hair shows much more wear before the effects of circulation affect the legends.

The other two aren't great specimens (scratched, planchet flaws, possibly cleaned), but I don't see anything to make me think they might be fake.
sylabyss
Do russian gold coins typically have lots of planchet flaws ?
gxseries
It's not planchet flaw but I'm sure it's more to do with bagmark. The coins are still worth at least their bullion value with an additional 5-10% premium. I don't keep track of the prices but I'm sure it's somewhere around there.
altyn
QUOTE(gxseries @ May 12 2008, 09:10 AM) *
It's not planchet flaw but I'm sure it's more to do with bagmark. The coins are still worth at least their bullion value with an additional 5-10% premium. I don't keep track of the prices but I'm sure it's somewhere around there.


I wish I could find a coin for such a price! Most of them are sold for twice their bullion value (at ~ 100% premium). At least this is my impression.
bobh
QUOTE(gxseries @ May 12 2008, 07:10 PM) *
It's not planchet flaw but I'm sure it's more to do with bagmark. The coins are still worth at least their bullion value with an additional 5-10% premium. I don't keep track of the prices but I'm sure it's somewhere around there.

This one definitely has a planchet flaw at 9 o'clock (after rotation to a normal viewing angle, that is) or located next to the large scratch beginning at the digit "5":
http://thriftdrop.com/DSCN6460.JPG
Looks to me like lamination which broke away during (or right after) the strike. Could also be that there was some metal in the recessed area of the die around that area.
bobh
QUOTE(sylabyss @ May 13 2008, 08:44 AM) *
So you guys think they are correct ?

Don't expect this kind of opinion from anyone here on this forum!

While it is sometimes possible to spot a fake from images alone, it is never possible to guarantee authenticity without holding the coin in hand. As I said before, I think the first coin is suspect. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that all of them were fake. At any rate, nobody can say with 100% certainty -- if they are fake coins, then they were very cleverly done.
sylabyss
Ok i understand . This isn't a authentication/grading company .But i respect the opinion's of the people here and i was just trying to figure out what to do with them . If i placed them for sale i wanted to make sure they were ok, also since there not that valuable its not really worth to have them graded.
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