Just in case there was any confusion, I don't have one. The 3 Polushkas referred to earlier in this post that I, numrare, and KBK were going to put together were all different years, each extremely rare. I don't know of 3 of KBK's new coin, though numrare says he knows of them.

I thought something like this. Mr. Bitkin was advised to put such a coin into his catalogue by Rarenum (this is my guess, I do not know it for sure) who wanted to have his own coin listed and semi-unique with just 2 or 3 pieces known. It would immediately do his own coin a very rare and valuable piece. There is nothing bad about this though, most likely everyone who owns near unique coin would enjoy seeing it in a catalogue. Mr. Bitkin "believed" it is real and put it into his catalogue (Second Edition) without doing his "homework" and with rarity level of R4. Most likely no such a coin (dated 1797 with obverse of Denga) was ever authenticated by any Russian institution, neither Russian State Historical Museum nor Hermitage or any other authorised organization. Believe it is real? Well it never hurts to authenticate a coin that is twice as rare as Konstantine Ruble.

Regards,
WCO

I think those are:

1. One that Bitkin knows about. It would be interesting to get a photo.

2. There is one in the US. It is all corroded but recognizable.

3. My coin.

Mr. Rarenum, am I correct?

I have been told about a possible #4 in Russia, but I did not get a photo. I offered good money for it, but never received an answer. I do not think it was real, maybe a hoax. I wonder what our Russian colleagues know about these.

P.S. As much as I would like to ignore WCO, he brings up a good point. I do not know, however, what his motive is... Why was this coin never catalogued until just a few years ago?

Correct

The question still is Mr. Bitkin knows about Rarenum's coin or some other coin?

WCO

The potential for existence of this coin is definitely there, especially considering how much those guys drank before coming to work

Right, starting from 1800 people started to drink less and never came to work being drunk, that's why there is no potential of 1800 and 1801 Polushkas with obverse of Denga to be in existense.

WCO

WCO,
1) You should be very careful with your "theory".
2) Stop discuss about article you know nothing; you just show your unprofessional side as numismatist. (You just mix up Rarenum, Bitkin, GIM, and Hermitage...)>nothing is true, just your fantasy.
a. I can show authenticate of the Extremely Rare coin possible rarest then Ruble of Konstantin.
B. Konstantine ruble is greatest period of Russian History.
Rarenum

Yes, I know so little about this subject. If you know more, please provide the info. Mr. Bitkin learned about your coin or some other coin? Thank you in advance. I guess everyone wants to know how such a coin got into second edition of Bitkin's catalogue.

WCO

It's definately surprising that discoveries can be made 200 years after it was struck. The thing is with, there is no such thing as a complete catalog. Unless the mint keeps a complete detail and inventories of what it struck, most authors I believe can only make a reference to what was available at their times.

But isn't finding something that is so rare that is unreported in catalog that makes this even more thrilling?

agreed 100%. But the point I was making is that collectors are very cagey and do not share information. That is why the information is not available to cataloguers. I am also guilty of this to a certain extent. Moreover, look at this discussion. WCO invented a whole ludicrous conspiracy theory that could be destroyed by one straight answer from Rarenum. However, Mr. Rarenum avoids answering the question.

Discoveries such as this one is what keeps us going in numismatics. it gives us hope that something like this, even as rare as winning a lottery, can still happen to someone we know. I am waiting for Rarenum's response to the request. maybe the coin is not as rare as we think and more will come to light in the near future. I know I don't have one.

We are planning POLUSHKA party . YOU CAN BRING GOOD konyak > http://www.louis-xiii.com/ and possible I will tell you more

It appears that the requested information has its price. I guess, some collectors (read rarenum...) are not cagey and secretive, they are simply waiting for the right offer$$$. I guess, the two people that requested the information should pull their finances together and buy that bottle. I hope I am invited to the party...

With the anticipated high price, I believe the two of you will be the only ones there

I believe I already have an admission ticket (>200 years old)

That is very true. Let us set the admission as follows:

1. Anyone with a polushka that is at least 200 years old and at least either 50 rubles or R3 -- admission is free

2. Anyone else -- a bottle of good cognac (at least Tesseron Lot N° 29 "Exception" which I personally recommend) ) and they have to behave and be polite.

Note too sure if I'm supposed to take offense that coin collecting is only for the elite

Im having my own polushka party today.... just these, and a six pack of Sam Adams Ale...
All are welcome!

No offense meant. I just lowered the price of information for those who "requested" it from about $1400 to $500. Not a bad deal. Anyone who wants to stop by not for the purpose of asking stupid questions in offensive form, but to talk "shop" or just BS is welcome. No admission.

great coins and a very nice photo

Thanks! I spent all my Cognac budget on Russian coins, but theres always a little left at the end of the week for a cold beer!

I have heard there is Sam Adams that costs much more than tesseron...

I have spend my budget for coins ,I should drink my beer

Guys, there are no need for name calling and such. I'm sure everyone has different opinions and are entitled to such. I'll be honest - I am a bit skeptical as well but I'm not saying it's impossible - just unlikely and therefore if it's genuine, that's what makes it scarce.

Aren't polushka rather uncommon in the first place? I don't remember having a lot of polushka other than the early coinage of Anna.

It is big difference between skeptical and the envious person.

Back on the original subject...perhaps we can discuss what other copper mules are out there. I remember seeing some in one of Dmitry Markov's catalogs several years ago. I'll see what I can come up with. I don't have any in my collection that I know of.

Steve

I have one mule.
Rarenum.

photo please

I also have another mule: 1974 20 kopeks with averse of 3 kopek piece.

I have more mule for other periods( Novodels ).

pictures please

I claim to have 1773 and 1776 EM polushkas (not Siberian), do I still need to bring cognac or will Sam Addams do?

1773 does not get you anywhere. But, 1776 is a different matter... Can you show a photo? I only saw 3 or 4 of those.

The only mule I have is this novodel:



I'm sure I don't have anything interesting other than super corroded coins

However, you could pass those for any coin you like: 1 kop 1767 mm, 1 kop 1789 mm, 1/4 kop 1789 am, 1 kop 1757 mmd -- the list goes on.

73 is hard to find too

I'll put up some pictures in a couple of weeks

Agreed both hard...but 76 is more than twice as difficult. I've seen 10-1773 (including mine) and 4-1776.

I've seen one of each...lol

Yes, but I spend most of my free time looking for them

Ok you win I slacked off a lot

I'm missinig 1776 em polushka in my collection

Me too

That's cool

I did some research with my 20 kopecks, and found out that atleast 1980, 1981, 1983, 1984 and 1985 have two varieties: some have large Soviet emblem on the obverse while the emblem on some others is much smaller. Coins with small emblem seem to be considerably scarcer (atleast in my coin jar ) than the ones with large emblems. There are also some other differences. Could the coins with small emblem have been struck with 3 kopeck dies?

If that's the case, I'll join the Mule-Owners-Club

hi Steve. Do you have this one?

http://staraya-moneta.ru/forum/viewtopic.p...%EB%F3%F8%EA%E0

The way I tell them apart is the type of ribbons. Concave ribbons are on the 3 kop die.

After comparing some 3 and 20 kopecks, I think that the small emblem coins have been struck with 3 kopeck die. The ribbons of "small emblem coins" seem to
be similar to those of 3 kopecks.

No. Hadn't seen that one! Thanks!

There was also one on Gelos a few years back. Do you have that one?

welcome to the club