Thank you


Now everyone is free to get back to the original topic - sorry for hijacking this thread

I'd have to see it to cross check against the Conros and Ekaterina coins. Do you have an image? My Gelos coverage is actually quite poor. I stopped collecting their images in late 2004.

I had a link, but they removed all auctions before 2007 from their site.

I'm collecting old fashion way (printed catalogs)

MONETY I MEDALI IN 2005 AUCTION 31 (COPPER PART II) LOT 413 POLUSHKA 1776 EM SOLD FOR 800.00$

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Yep...got that one. Thanks

OK...enough of these 'scarce' polushkas. What about something rare. Anybody seen a 1785EM Polushka. Or better yet, anybody have one?
There _may_ have been one in M&M 31 but the 5 looks strange (sold for $1000, so somebody took a chance).

1774 em

I've never seen one.

I guess the question is not 'if' you have one, but how many do you have

Not a lot

russian government managed to sell one 1774: Adolph Hess 210 lot#1679 There is a plate. I think I also saw one, but not at liberty to discuss. We should ask the lucky the owner...

I have never seen 1785 em. Now, that is a true rarity. GM lists an 85 (Plate XXIV #21), but the 5 looks exactly like the 5 on 1775/4 and the 8 is not clear. Funny thing is it is listed as only "rare" not "very rare"...

the description says that the coin is from the collection of count Tolstoi, and that the revers was created from 1775. (there is a mistake in Boston, mass. reprint for it says 1757 there) They (GM, Demeni, Tolstoi, etc) had the coin and could examine it, however, it could easily be a myth created by a die break... After all they were not infallible listing all those novodels as originals. Steve, do you have an image of the coin from M&M 31?

Yes indeed.
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Thanks for the info. Very interesting.

There is something under 5, but it is not 4. 5 looks different from the 5 on GM coin. Could there be 2 dies? Yea, right... Although I do not see any traces of engraving on these photographs, you need to look at it under the microscope to be sure. All in all, I am neither conviced by GM specimen, nor by the M&M coin. Both could be false, one could be false or both could be real. Who knows...

You should add Zubov (1897) #90-91 listed polushka 1774 EM and 1775/4 EM (overdate), which confirming mintage Polushka's "EM" in 1774
Zubov (1897) #93 listed polushka of 1776 EM listed for first time and unknown before.

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Still waiting for pictures...

Here's what I hope is the 1776 polushka. As Murphy's law dictates - the last digit of the date is the most corroded.

The flip side:

1773 polushka

1773 reverse

Brightened up a little...

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At first glance, it looks good to me.

1770 maybe overstrike? with maybe a 70/73 overdate?

reverse

Can you make a better photo, because what I see is 1775/4. I could be wrong...

Similar coins discussed:

http://www.coins.su/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...%EB%F3%F8%EA%E0

http://www.coins.su/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...%EB%F3%F8%EA%E0

There should be no straight lines in the #6 and no traces of an overdate.

Maybe it's a 75/6 overdate

6 over 3 ?

IMHO just a rusty, rusty 6

Please take a look on your coin where I maked in red ink. To me it is the diagnostic remnants of 4 clearly seen on GM plate XVII #16.

You might be right. I think I need better optics Well, I paid less than 5 bucks for this coin so I'm not going to be financially disappointed if it's a 74/5 overdate.

Sorry. However, if it is 76, that was the deal of the century.

While I have your attentive eyes... Here's a better pic of the 1770 polushka. What intrigues me in this coin is that it is larger and flatter than the other polushkas I've seen. Weight is 1.7 grams. There's 2 parallel lines going through the avers of the coin (remnants of the undercoin?), and it really looks to me like the 0 has been changed to 3 (badly!). Unfortunately, my attempts to take a better picture have so far failed. Any opinions?

Flash helped a bit

Alex, I believe that your camera is decent (I'm sure it's more than 3 megapixels, no?).

All you need is a table lamp that that above the coin and play around with the lightening. It's a shame that I can't see what is going on.

Gx, it'snot the equipment, it's the photogarpher

I think I was able to take a better picture of 1776 aka 75/4:

You know what Alex, when I first saw it, I thought I was looking at 5/4/3. Confusing isn't it?

Should not be 3. Just 5/4.

What looked like the top bar of a 3 is now gone in this photo. Now it really does look like 6/5, imo.

Looks more like 5, and close to 6 I should get the picture from my 1775 Polushka to compare the design of number 5 in the date.

That's the problem with small denominations - they're small! Every speck of dust or rust adds a new character to these tiny digits.