Saw this today... ebay 290204609180
anybody have other examples of this kind of error in Russian coinage?
Full Version: obverse both sides error 25 Kopeck
QUOTE(squirrel @ Feb 16 2008, 09:50 AM) 
Saw this today... ebay 290204609180
anybody have other examples of this kind of error in Russian coinage?
anybody have other examples of this kind of error in Russian coinage?
Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=290204609180
RWJ
QUOTE(RW Julian @ Feb 16 2008, 10:25 AM)
I'm curious about how this could happen. The coin does not appear to be a full brockage, but rather a mule struck by 2 reverse dies.
Given the presses used by the mint at that time, could a reverse die physically fit into a press intended to hold an obverse? Were the portions of obverse and reverse dies (where they fit into the press) the same shape?
QUOTE(grivna1726 @ Feb 16 2008, 11:11 AM)
I'm curious about how this could happen. The coin does not appear to be a full brockage, but rather a mule struck by 2 reverse dies.
Given the presses used by the mint at that time, could a reverse die physically fit into a press intended to hold an obverse? Were the portions of obverse and reverse dies (where they fit into the press) the same shape?
Given the presses used by the mint at that time, could a reverse die physically fit into a press intended to hold an obverse? Were the portions of obverse and reverse dies (where they fit into the press) the same shape?
The coin is created by halving two coins and joining sides. The key seems to be that one side was smaller/trimmed in diameter and placed within the other which was "cupped". this left the outer edge intact, to some degree. I beleive this is a common practice for making two-headed half dollars.
Closer inspection will likely reveal that the entire edging was added later.
Just an opinion, I could be right.
This coin was already shown in this thread:
http://www.coinpeople.com/index.php?showtopic=18595
I find it suspect. When I was a kid I saw a seller in Moscow at Izmailovo offering a whole bunch of coins that only had eagles on each side - they were, as I recall, copper 2 kopeeks from 1860s. He had a bunch of them just lying in a cup, he said that he was selling them for some old esteemed collector who needed cash. But that place was notorious for fakes, and he did not have anything else that looked like it could have come from a good collection, so I passed. I'll pass on this one too.
http://www.coinpeople.com/index.php?showtopic=18595
I find it suspect. When I was a kid I saw a seller in Moscow at Izmailovo offering a whole bunch of coins that only had eagles on each side - they were, as I recall, copper 2 kopeeks from 1860s. He had a bunch of them just lying in a cup, he said that he was selling them for some old esteemed collector who needed cash. But that place was notorious for fakes, and he did not have anything else that looked like it could have come from a good collection, so I passed. I'll pass on this one too.
"Абсолютно идентичный звон с 25 копейками такого типа"
Ding Dong, Ding Dong. The coin is real.
Ding Dong, Ding Dong. The coin is real.
QUOTE(alexbq2 @ Feb 16 2008, 12:55 PM)
must have missed the first thread, thanks. And thanks RWJ for making a working link for me.RWJ, were die pairs in this era interchangeable obverse and reverse in the press, making this error possible?
QUOTE(alexbq2 @ Feb 16 2008, 12:55 PM)
This coin was already shown in this thread:
http://www.coinpeople.com/index.php?showtopic=18595
I find it suspect. When I was a kid I saw a seller in Moscow at Izmailovo offering a whole bunch of coins that only had eagles on each side - they were, as I recall, copper 2 kopeeks from 1860s. He had a bunch of them just lying in a cup, he said that he was selling them for some old esteemed collector who needed cash. But that place was notorious for fakes, and he did not have anything else that looked like it could have come from a good collection, so I passed. I'll pass on this one too.
http://www.coinpeople.com/index.php?showtopic=18595
I find it suspect. When I was a kid I saw a seller in Moscow at Izmailovo offering a whole bunch of coins that only had eagles on each side - they were, as I recall, copper 2 kopeeks from 1860s. He had a bunch of them just lying in a cup, he said that he was selling them for some old esteemed collector who needed cash. But that place was notorious for fakes, and he did not have anything else that looked like it could have come from a good collection, so I passed. I'll pass on this one too.
Agreed. That the same imperfections appear on both sides (e.g. at the L of ZOLOTNIKA) seem
to indicate a cast piece rather than die struck. It would be easy enough for a skilled person to
make a cast with both sides the same.
In the U.S., however, it is the usual practice to plane down one side and join it to another, both “heads”
or both “tails.” These are called Magician’s Coins and can be obtained at speciality stores.
RWJ
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