Full Version: 2 Rouble 1756, potrait
What happened to Elizabeth's forehead on this coin? Looks odd compare to samples I have. Any ideas?
QUOTE(IlyaE @ Nov 18 2007, 10:15 PM) 
What happened to Elizabeth's forehead on this coin? Looks odd compare to samples I have. Any ideas?
I think it might be a fake, or maybe someone tried to restore lost detail by engraving the portrait. It looks very strange.
Fake... imho
QUOTE(grivna1726 @ Nov 19 2007, 06:12 AM)
I think it might be a fake, or maybe someone tried to restore lost detail by engraving the portrait. It looks very strange.
I consider it a definite fake. The neck area of the suspect piece is grotesque
compared to the genuine piece posted by grivna1726. The reverse eagle
seems better done but this is tentative until a better illustration is seen.
RWJ
QUOTE(RW Julian @ Nov 19 2007, 10:41 AM)
I consider it a definite fake. The neck area of the suspect piece is grotesque
compared to the genuine piece posted by grivna1726. The reverse eagle
seems better done but this is tentative until a better illustration is seen.
RWJ
compared to the genuine piece posted by grivna1726. The reverse eagle
seems better done but this is tentative until a better illustration is seen.
RWJ
I don't have a database of images like the one which you have compiled, but the portrait style looks very strange (and grotesque is not too strong a word to describe it) to me compared to other examples (and pictures of other examples) which I have seen.
It seems highly unlikely that the mint would have produced such a product.
QUOTE(grivna1726 @ Nov 19 2007, 10:56 AM)
I don't have a database of images like the one which you have compiled, but the portrait style looks very strange (and grotesque is not too strong a word to describe it) to me compared to other examples (and pictures of other examples) which I have seen.
It seems highly unlikely that the mint would have produced such a product.
It seems highly unlikely that the mint would have produced such a product.
I have more than 100 images of the 1756 Moscow two roubles and none of them
match the bust on the questionable piece.
RWJ
Thanks guys, this came from very reputable dealer, but he doesn't specialize on Russian coins. It seems strange to see the fake to have some much wear. I guess, someone artificially aged it after realizing that details were badly reproduced.
QUOTE(grivna1726 @ Nov 19 2007, 12:12 PM)
Thanks for sharing this beautiful coin image with us, grivna1726!
Seeing this portrait, I can now see why she was such a "hot number" back in her day ...
Hard for me to imagine that after looking at portraits of her on most other Catherine II coins.
QUOTE(bobh @ Nov 19 2007, 05:04 PM)
Thanks for sharing this beautiful coin image with us, grivna1726!
Seeing this portrait, I can now see why she was such a "hot number" back in her day ... Hard for me to imagine that after looking at portraits of her on most other Catherine II coins.
Seeing this portrait, I can now see why she was such a "hot number" back in her day ...
Hard for me to imagine that after looking at portraits of her on most other Catherine II coins.Hi bobh,
You're welcome.
BTW, that is Elizabeth Petrovna on the gold 2 Roubles.
Catherine II was actually rather attractive in her youth and surprisingly small in terms of her physical stature.
Her physical appeal is apparent on this (previously posted) coin, which is overstruck on a rouble of her deposed husband, Peter III.
QUOTE(grivna1726 @ Nov 20 2007, 12:34 AM)
BTW, that is Elizabeth Petrovna on the gold 2 Roubles.
OOPS! I was probably thinking 1765 and not 1756 ... thanks for the correction!
The 1763-MMD rouble portrait is also very nice.
QUOTE(grivna1726 @ Nov 19 2007, 06:34 PM)
Hi bobh,
You're welcome. BTW, that is Elizabeth Petrovna on the gold 2 Roubles.
Catherine II was actually rather attractive in her youth and surprisingly small in terms of her physical stature.
Her physical appeal is apparent on this (previously posted) coin, which is overstruck on a rouble of her deposed husband, Peter III.
You're welcome. BTW, that is Elizabeth Petrovna on the gold 2 Roubles.
Catherine II was actually rather attractive in her youth and surprisingly small in terms of her physical stature.
Her physical appeal is apparent on this (previously posted) coin, which is overstruck on a rouble of her deposed husband, Peter III.
The Moscow roubles of Catherine II normally are found in less than ideal condition. The piece
shown by grivna1726 is an exception to this rule and one of the finest I have seen.
RWJ
Yes, this is a beautiful example, I wouldn't be surprised if it will be selling for 50k+ in today's market
QUOTE(IlyaE @ Nov 20 2007, 12:48 AM)
Yes, this is a beautiful example, I wouldn't be surprised if it will be selling for 50k+ in today's market
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